Are you directly or indirectly saying Jehovah created angels (etc)?
It's never been an issue of what Sol has to say, but rather what is truly or actually being conveyed in the symbolic spiritual language found throughout Gods written word. This is all the more so since in ANY setting in which the "apostasy" that ones like Paul spoke of at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 requires yet another (as he says) "presence of our Lord Jesus Christ" and its commensurate "day of Jehovah," the entire earth is dealing with what Jesus himself spoke of in accounts like Matthew 15:9 and 16:6 while preaching and teaching in this very setting. (Isa 28:8) (2 Cor 6:17) Moreover this becomes extremely easy to demonstrate the moment we actually succeed in obeying divine commands like this which of course apply in ALL post-apostasy/pre-kingdom settings.
A good example of this is how I clearly demonstrated with the scriptures also in my last post that the Christ (or anointed) the scriptures often speak of is rather different than the one that is currently always described for us in the literature and teachings of organized religion. The moment we actually succeed in learning to pay more attention to the Bible itself than the teachings that merely claim to be based on it, there is a seemingly endless stream of scriptures that will suddenly begin to seem FAR less confusing, mysterious, and even contradictory to us. (Isa 8:20) Basically the reason we are having this scriptural discussion in the first place is because these false teaching are CREATING all this confusion and mystery. I am certain I can demonstrate the truth of this even further with the scriptural answers to your questions:
Are you directly or indirectly saying Jehovah created angels (etc)?
Colossians 1: 15-17:
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross. "
John 1: 3:
"Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made."
Further, John 1:14 "And the Logos became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
So the Logos , becoming flesh, namely our Lord Jesus Christ, created angels; correct?
The "son" (also referred to as the "firstborn son" as well as terms like "son of man") and the "word" ("logos" in Greek as you likely know) we read of here in these scriptures you cited are of course among the ways the Christ as well as JESUS Christ (which is actually distinct in some manner) is identified in the scriptures. However since I am very familiar with how you have been taught by religious leaders to understand things in connection with this for your entire life, would I be wrong to assume you would find scriptures like Ezekiel 2:1 rather confusing? Yes Jehovah identified the prophet Ezekiel as the "son of man" as well. Once again however, if or when we become more concerned with what the Bible actually teaches than mere false religious leaders, scriptures like this will soon begin making perfect sense to us. In this case I would encourage you to go over the thread entitled—Who or What are the Two Witnesses? since any serious consideration of it should go far in clearing up this confusion.
As I demonstrated yet again in my last post, there are more facets to this "Christ" or "son of man" entity than we have long been led to believe. For one thing if satan and his minions can succeed in getting everyone to focus strictly on the facet that the Apostle John narrows in on here at John 1:14, namely the "HEAD of the "CORNER" or "foundation cornerstone" of this "Christ"/"son of man" entity, I suspect you are among the ones who can appreciate just how much easier it would now be for them to lead people into idolatrous false worship. (1 Pe 2:7) (Mt 21:42) We can be certain this was the primary objective all along. But here is something else I am rather certain of if you can manage to go over my last post again while removing some pre-conceived ideas from you mind and focusing strictly on the symbolic spiritual language of the scriptures I cite:
Accounts such as Matthew 8:22 and Revelation 13:8 should help us to understand that the "apostasy" or spiritual "killing" spoken of here as well as accounts like 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 and Daniel 11:30-32 ALWAYS results in the situation described in these passages. In OUR case at least, EVERYTHING is now nonexistent INCLUDING Jehovah's holy angels. This is in the sense that WE have completely alienated OURSELVES from them by means of rejecting their authority over us WITH this broken "holy covenant." In these settings even Jehovah's PROPHETS are recognized by him as a kind of "carcass" or "corpse" until one or more of them manages to humbly and repentantly accept full responsibility for the "guiltiness" Jehovah ALWAYS assigns to these "apostasies" at the level of the entire community. (Mt 24:28) (Re 11:8) (Le 4:3)
Just as was demonstrated for us with the "son of man" who went by the name- Ezekiel after King Jehoiakim completely violated Jehovah's holy marriage covenant by crawling into bed with Pharaoh Necho of ancient Egypt, TRUE prophets of Jehovah accept full responsibility for this spiritual death by offering themselves up as a "voluntary offering" or otherwise making themselves available for all the opposition, ridicule, and even persecution that is ALWAYS part and parcel to delivering Jehovah's messages and teachings to their fellow anointed brothers and sisters in these settings. (2 Ki 23:34, 35) (Mt 24:45) This opposition is inevitable since not only does this broken marriage covenant always reduce these "members of the body of the Christ" into spiritually "sleeping virgins" and "widows," but ones who at this point have only ever been exposed to false teachings. (1 Cor 12:12) (Mt 25:1, 2, 5) (La 1:1, 4) The true teachings of God's word ALWAYS seems like a foreign language or even a completely "new song" to people in these settings of national apostasy. (Re 14:3) (Eze 33:32)
Now when Jehovah comes to recognize this ministry to Jesus' "brothers" as having been completed, then just as foretold in accounts like Revelation 11:3-12 his true prophets are used to inaugurate a renewed holy kingdom covenant by essentially receiving a call from heaven to …"COME UP HERE." (Mt 25:40) (Re 11:11, 12) (He 9:16-18 26-28) In such a setting this anointed entity (Christ) now qualifies not only as a "firstborn son" to Jehovah, but more specifically a "firstborn FROM THE DEAD." (Col 1:18) However this is NOT in the manner we have always been led to believe. Once again, "NOT ONE" person's "name stands written in the scroll of life" after a "sin of the PRIEST" has brought "guiltiness upon the PEOPLE" or otherwise has "removed the continual sacrifice" (more specifically its atoning value) from Jehovah's "sanctuary" and "put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation." (Re 13:8) (Da 11:31) What is more, this "son of man" entity ALSO now qualifies as the …"firstborn of ALL CREATION" in the sense that EVERYTHING that was forfeited by the preceding "apostasy" INCLUDING Jehovah's holy angels and LIFE OR SALVATION ITSELF begins to be returned or restored to repentant humankind BY MEANS of this priestly offering. (Col 1:16)
ALL of the ministries and the commensurate priestly sacrifices performed by what is ultimately the "MANY members of the body of the Christ" that result in a renewed and inaugurated kingdom covenant qualify as a "beginning," a "RE-creation" or a "founding of the world" in this sense, which would of course be a SPIRITUAL sense. (1 Cor 12:12) (Joh 1:1) (Mt 19:28) (Eph 1:4) While the first century Apostles and in fact Jesus himself referred prophetically to SUBSEQUENT priestly offerings to be furnished by this anointed or Christ entity, the first century Christian congregation quite naturally tended to focus more on the one that made God's kingdom manifest TO THEM PERSONALLY between the years of 33 and 96 or so CE when the holy covenant was violated yet again. (Col 1:13) (1 Joh 2:18) (Re 17:10) This is the reason the scriptures as we know them stopped being written at this time. Books of the Bible are written by TRUE Christians who basically do not exist in a setting of a broken holy covenant. Yes it is our individual prerogative to reject this way of understanding God's word in favor of some way we might personally prefer, but the fact is we would need to completely ignore a good number of scriptures to actually do so.