Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

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Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

#151 Post by Marina » 3 weeks ago

Hi CI

On another site, having seen the U-turn done regarding the vaccine in UK and considering the financial incentives given to organizations to encourage uptake, someone has asked if there are any documents showing WT taking money to promote vaccine. There is already talk of two sisters having suffered miscarriage after being vaccinated. Could we be about to see the close connection between medicine and churches generally? The clerics and the medics. Phamakeia.

One the subject of speaking against God and the Prince of Peace - in your part of the world is a remembrance day held using a poppy symbol? Do they quote John 15:3? If so, Jesus is remembered by bread and wine, not the poppy which is a symbol of opium.
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#152 Post by coccus ilicis » 3 weeks ago

Marina wrote: 3 weeks ago Hi CI

On another site, having seen the U-turn done regarding the vaccine in UK and considering the financial incentives given to organizations to encourage uptake, someone has asked if there are any documents showing WT taking money to promote vaccine. There is already talk of two sisters having suffered miscarriage after being vaccinated. Could we be about to see the close connection between medicine and churches generally? The clerics and the medics. Phamakeia.

One the subject of speaking against God and the Prince of Peace - in your part of the world is a remembrance day held using a poppy symbol? Do they quote John 15:3? If so, Jesus is remembered by bread and wine, not the poppy which is a symbol of opium.
Hi Marina,

Yes, we have remembrance day here. But am not sure what it has to do with Jhn 15:3 though.

Regarding covid vaccination. Did you watch the video (the link in post 150 above), here it is again, ( https://rumble.com/embed/vu8jix/?pub=4 ). Although the Rumble site video is a pieced-together version of the original 'Hackable Humans,' you can see what he is insinuating with regard to Covid vacs. Listen from 0.57 to 1.03, and at 2.51 to 4:18, where he says we are now hackable animals. He links Covid vacs to surveillance and hacking humans, what does that tell you? That was too much information, no wonder he withdrew the video.

And why are they so focused on Putin and his war machine (listen from 5:14 onwards and at 7:04)? It has nothing to do with Russia having oil and gas, but it is because Putin and Russians believe in God, and have taken the lead in refusing to adopt the godless humanist principles of the WEF gang.

Do you remember when in 2013 the Gay rights movement called for a world-wide boycott of the Olympic games in Russia. It was because Putin had refused to allow them to promote their lifestyle in movies, on TV or in the press. Putin had said, what people did in their bedrooms was their business, but he would not allow it in public places where it could influence young minds. That is when their boy Putin turned on them and became enemy No 1. The following year, a protest in Kiev turned into a putsch and the elected president of Ukraine, who was on good terms with Putin was overthrown and replaced by Zelenski, who intended to invite NATO to place their armaments on Russia's borders, see also this article It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war

So it is not about oil, but it's what Putin stands for, i.e. God and Family, that stands in the way of the WEF control machine.

Things are moving very quickly now.

LRW~

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#153 Post by Orchid61 » 3 weeks ago

Eccl. 8:9
All this I observed while applying my heart to all that is done under the sun, when man had power over man to his hurt.


We hope Our Heavenly Father will give Jesus our King the go a head for intervention on what’s happening on Earth.

The hurt must be skyhigh, given by any human government.

Manipulated by the wicked powers of the air.

Jesus please come,
Maria

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#154 Post by Marina » 3 weeks ago

Hi CI - yes I am drawing similar or the same conclusions.
Also am just learning the term 'Judas Goat.' It is a goat trained to get sheep to follow it to lead sheep to the slaughter. That's why I asked about the Remembrance Day things. Sorry I mean John 15:13 - Greater love hath no man.
These Remembrance Days have some association with Jesus but then they, like WT, Judas Goat away from Jesus Christ. The symbol of Remembrance for the soldiers is the poppy.
You mention 'hackable human.' Yes WT hacked publishers minds - the moment you stop thinking for yourself - the moment you stop counting, doing the sums and getting the answer for YOURSELF - you are at risk of being hacked.
The poppy stands for opium, it is forgetfullness. Letting go of the information in your mind that you need to work through to get the answers. It is laziness. But Jesus is remembered by the bread and wine. He is the way, and the road is narrow and cramped and not many are on it cause most want someone else to do the thinking for them, while they focus on bread and circuses.
Marina

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#155 Post by lynchpin » 2 weeks ago

ci and Marina,

Great reading here, :hearteyes:

Re the Poppy flower It is possible to work both ways -

After World War II, red poppies were adopted as a symbol of remembrance for war dead so no one would ever forget their sacrifice.

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To forget the pain caused due to death -

As in the legend of Demeter mentioned in link below.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6516307212


Re John 15:13 is twisted and used to engage in War by human government.

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#156 Post by Sevenz » 2 weeks ago

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And why are they so focused on Putin and his war machine (listen from 5:14 onwards and at 7:04)? It has nothing to do with Russia having oil and gas, but it is because Putin and Russians believe in God, and have taken the lead in refusing to adopt the godless humanist principles of the WEF gang.
Oh yes, Putin *claims* to believe in God and Jesus! Recently he paid his respects to the former president of Russia, who had died, and just before leaving he laid his innocent little hand on the man's casket and made the sign of the cross, thus *claiming* to be a Christian. I remember seeing a video of Putin being baptized as a member of the Russian Orthodox religion. He's such a sweet little Christian (puke) that he has caused the deaths of countless civilians in Ukraine, by bombing their homes. The man MURDERS Men, women, and children while *claiming* to be a Christian!!! Then he has the gall to endorse the *claim* that JWs are "extremists".

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#157 Post by Sevenz » 2 weeks ago

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After World War II, red poppies were adopted as a symbol of remembrance for war dead so no one would ever forget their sacrifice.
Oh, yeah, I remember those "poppies" that people would proudly display by affixing them onto the front of their shirts. In fact, my now deceased mother-in-law used to hand them out to patriotic people when she served as the President of the American Legion. You can probably imagine how she felt about her JW son-in-law (me). Oh, the memories!!!

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#158 Post by Stranger » 2 weeks ago

Orchid61 wrote: 3 weeks ago Eccl. 8:9
All this I observed while applying my heart to all that is done under the sun, when man had power over man to his hurt.


We hope Our Heavenly Father will give Jesus our King the go a head for intervention on what’s happening on Earth.

The hurt must be skyhigh, given by any human government.

Manipulated by the wicked powers of the air.

Jesus please come,
Maria

Amen sister!

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#159 Post by coccus ilicis » 2 weeks ago

Sevenz wrote: 2 weeks ago .
And why are they so focused on Putin and his war machine (listen from 5:14 onwards and at 7:04)? It has nothing to do with Russia having oil and gas, but it is because Putin and Russians believe in God, and have taken the lead in refusing to adopt the godless humanist principles of the WEF gang.
Oh yes, Putin *claims* to believe in God and Jesus! Recently he paid his respects to the former president of Russia, who had died, and just before leaving he laid his innocent little hand on the man's casket and made the sign of the cross, thus *claiming* to be a Christian. I remember seeing a video of Putin being baptized as a member of the Russian Orthodox religion. He's such a sweet little Christian (puke) that he has caused the deaths of countless civilians in Ukraine, by bombing their homes. The man MURDERS Men, women, and children while *claiming* to be a Christian!!! Then he has the gall to endorse the *claim* that JWs are "extremists".


Sevenz.

You are very judgemental of a man you do not know, remember what Jesus said at Mt 7:1-5. All you think you know about him comes from the western propaganda machine. Here is a recent video about Putin. The only reason it has not been withdrawn is that it is in Russian with the auto-translate function unavailable. You can always turn the sound off if the language annoys you, but I recommend you watch it because it gives insight into the constraints under which leaders of countries operate. Most are bound by internal laws and procedures and external international agreements that are legally binding.

"The World Order 2018" Vladimir Solovyov's new film about Putin


Concerning Ukraine, this article was written in 2014, when the coup deposed its elected president: It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all. The reality is that after two decades of Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit … ' Illustration: Matt Kenyon ...Wed 30 Apr 2014 21.01 BST
The threat of war in Ukraine is growing. As the unelected government in Kiev declares itself unable to control the rebellion in the country's east, John Kerry brands Russia a rogue state.
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Besides Internal regulatory laws, his own parliament and the will of the people that elected him, there are also external pressures that leaders of nations are legally obligated to obey.

The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties is an international agreement regulating treaties between states. Known as the "treaty on treaties", it establishes comprehensive rules, procedures, and guidelines for how treaties are defined, drafted, amended, interpreted, and generally operated. An international treaty is a written agreement between international law subjects ...The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties is an international agreement regulating treaties between states. Known as the "treaty on treaties", it establishes comprehensive rules, procedures, and guidelines for how treaties are defined, drafted, amended, interpreted, and generally operated. An international treaty is a written agreement between international law subjects Wikipedia

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As you can see there are only a few non-parties, RED, that are not a party to the Vienna Convention at the UN. Notable among the non-members are Israel and India. All the GREEN countries, have both signed and ratified it. That means they are bound by all the laws of the treaty. The US, Iran and a few others, the YELLOW countries, have signed but not ratified it, or not signed off on it. That means they obey the bits they agree to and ignore the rest. The US didn't honour the agreements it made with Gorbachev when the communist USSR collapsed, nor a Nuclear weapons deal. But has used its military might to do its own thing, and like any other dictatorship, it controls all news outlets in its sphere of influence. Putin and Russia like all the rest of the Green countries operate within the confines of the Vienna convention and abide by its ruling. Putin argues his case on the basis of America's failure to honour agreements it made with Russia.
Here at Wikipedia you will find a list of all member countries and their status in 2018. In 2014 Putin saw the writing on the wall and drew a line in the sand to prevent NATO from placing its missile launchers in Ukraine, on Russia's border, and he argues his case in the international court at the UN, as shown in the video above.

Ukraine has a nuclear power plant far bigger than Chernobyl and it is in the firing line between the Russian army and the Ukrainian army, if it is breached the nuclear radiation fallout would be catastrophic.

Impending Nuclear Disaster at the Zaporozhye NPP Posted on Monday 22 August 2022
Ukrainian premier Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Sunday (14 August 2022) that his military would continue to target Russian forces concentrated in and around the Zaporozhye nuclear plant in southern Ukraine, ending weeks of Ukrainian claims that it was Russian forces that were shelling the installation. Ukrainian units on the west bank of the Dnieper in the south of the Dnipropetrovsk oblast have been continually shelling the nuclear power plant (NPP) at Zaporozhye since 16 July, giving Russian personnel and equipment in the vicinity of the plant ‘special target’ status — and this is an extremely dangerous situation that should cause a great deal of alarm.
The Zaporozhye NPP is the largest such power plant on the European continent and the tenth largest in the world. It has six pressurised light water reactors which require round-the-clock maintenance and cooling to avert a meltdown and a nuclear catastrophe many times greater than the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.
Rafael Mariano Grossi, the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (the IAEA), the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog, has described this as an ‘alarming situation’ and has called for an immediate cessation of the fighting around the plant (11 August 2022). ‘Any military action jeopardising nuclear safety, nuclear security, must stop immediately,’
Zelenskyy is willing to ignore it in order to remove the Russian forces that have occupied this area on the east bank of the Dnieper in the Zaporozhye oblast since 3 March. ...Until Zelenskyy accepted responsibility for the shelling of the plant, his regime was engaged in a disinformation campaign blaming Russia for the attack.


The situation is now extremely dangerous. The UN 2 September 2022
Peace and Security
has sent a team there to monitor and control the situation:


As the Director General says from around 18:52 to 20:16 now that the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) is there, neither side will be able to blame the other for damaging the plant for military advantage. Since the IAEA personnel at the site will know who is legally responsible. In this way, they ensure Peace and Security (cf.1Thes 5:3).

Israel, America's protege (Rev 13:11,12), has a substantial cache of nuclear weapons, see Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, but since, like India, it has not signed up to the Vienna Convention it does not have to comply with IAEA regulations, inspections or nuclear arms treaties.

Iran is currently in the process of renegotiating the nuclear deal that Trump cancelled in 2018, see Iran's Nuclear Deal and Why its Revival Matters, in which Iran had agreed not to produce weapons-grade uranium in exchange for the lifting of sanctions. With the stalemate at the Ukrainian plant, the US will be looking for other ways to implicate Russia. Now Israel is getting jittery about how much weapons-grade Uranium Iran has been able to produce since 2018. This time around, after the 2020 assassination of Iran's top nuclear scientist and the release of the US Stuxnet computer worm at its nuclear plant, Iran is setting the bar much higher before it will agree to not produce weapons-grade uranium at its plant. It is thought by some that Iran is just playing for time, and the fear is that Israel may carry out its threat to make a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran's Nuclear facility with or without America's tacit approval.

If it does then what is written at Dan 11: 45 will be fulfilled, the king of the north, the one that has ruled over all the listed countries of Dan 11:41-44 will have come all the way to his finish and there will be no helper for him.

Taking into account that the International Atomic Energy Agency heads its account of what is happening at the Ukraine nuclear plant with the words 2 September 2022 Peace and Security, and with what Paul says, addressing those who survive to the presence of the Lord when the last trumpet sounds: Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, You need nothing to be written to you. For you, yourselves know quite well that Jehovah's day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: "Peace and Security!" then sudden destruction will be instantly upon them just as the pangs of distress on a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape, (1Thes 4:15,16; 5:1-4). If the Peace and Security of the IAEA 22nd September intervention is what is referred to, we won't have long to wait to know for sure. We are as Paul says: not in darkness, that that day should overtake us as it would thieves, (1Thes 5:4).
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#160 Post by coccus ilicis » 2 weeks ago

Sevenz wrote: 2 weeks ago
[The man MURDERS Men, women, and children while *claiming* to be a Christian!!! Then he has the gall to endorse the *claim* that JWs are "extremists",

PS:

Hi Sevenz,

Just to set the records straight, whatever lawyers said in court, Putin did not claim that JWs were extremists. I wonder who promoted that? I was in Russia when the WT was taken to court. For the WT or any foreign concern to legally carry out their business in Russia at that time, it had to either be a joint venture (half Russian) concern or be registered as an NGO with the U.N. The WT org was registered with the UN as an NGO (a non-government organization). The charge against them was that they were not a non-government organization but were there to promote an American mindset and influence.

The place in Moscow where I attended the English book study group was an American oil company property where one of its engineers lived. The WT HQ lawyer assigned to deal with the case visited our group. He had just come from France where he had defended a similar WT case. The French court had ruled that the WT Soc. was not a not-for-profit religion and required it to pay taxes back-dated to the time when it started operating there.

The WT Soc. has always claimed political neutrality, which, for me, was one of the things in their favour when I started to study the Bible with them. Decades later, I had gone to Russia to serve where the need was great, and that is when I realized it was not as politically neutral as it claimed. The English-speaking elder was a Brooklyn Bethelite, He and his wife worked and lived at the American Embassy in Moscow. When our regular English book study venue was temporarily unavailable, he arranged for us to have the book study at the embassy. I was still quite naïve at that time, but nevertheless thought it highly inappropriate and did not attend. As far as I know, the WT didn't own any property in Moscow, and Russian speakers met in homes and rented halls. The latter was no longer available when the judges handed down their verdict.

But the 'JWs' had been active in Russia long before becoming a registered NGO, so it wasn't such a big deal. The young Russian JW assigned to be my interpreter told me that C.T Russell had been to Russia at the turn of the 20th century, a sculpture of his bust was in the Konenkov museum. The curator, who was Konenkov's son had told him that this man, Russell, had been one of a group of friends that had regularly met at his father's house and he had taught them about the Bible.

For any who are interested here are a couple of links concerning the artist and his activity, which shows that he and his group of friends, far from being non-political, were just the opposite. It is quite possible that Velikovsky's wife had had a connection with this group, see the video in post 149 above.

The artist sculptor who had sculpted the bust of C.T. Russell was Sergey Konenkov
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Konenkov supported the Russian Revolution of 1917. Following the Bolshevik seizure of power Konenkov started work for Narkompros, the new People's Commissariat for Enlightenment.
… In 1922 Konenkov married Margarita Ivanovna Vorontsova
... They travelled to the US in 1924 for a few months ... and stayed for 22 years living in New York City. During the American period, Konenkov created a large body of work focusing on Bible themes, notably the Apocalypse. He produced works depicting Jesus Christ and the Christian prophets and apostles
...In 1935 he was commissioned by Princeton University to do a sculpture of Albert Einstein. It isn't said that Einstein was interested in the work of the Russian sculptor, but was more focused on his wife, Margarita Konenkova
[Konekov's wife. Margarita], who was also acquainted with the physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer . "Oppenheimer is accredited with being the "father of the atomic bomb"

Einstein wrote nine love letters to Margarita Konekova which were auctioned at Sotheby's. The link to the original translation of the Russian version of the affair has been hacked, but I still have the pdf file for anyone that is interested. For the English version of the affair, see, Einstein's letters show an affair with a spy

I now see C.T. Russell and his friends, as just a bunch of friends who believed in the Bible and set out to do something about it. Depending on the situation we are born into, our nature, nurture, and the choices we make along the way, shape our lives. Those choices might have seemed right at that time but later when we see their outcome they might no longer feel right. But by then we are in harness and have little choice other than to put one foot down after the other. Such appears to have been the case with this group of friends who had a vision of preparing the earth for God's Kingdom. All of us including Putin, Bidden, the WEF Klaus Schwab, etc. will be judged. We all make mistakes or have done things we are not proud of. Cain killed his brother, and yet Jehovah gave him a sign that others might not kill him,(Gen 4:14,15). And Jesus didn't condemn the woman caught in adultery, but simply told her to practice sin no more, (Jhn 8:11).

So on what basis will we be judged when the time comes? Jehovah says: “Go my people into your interior rooms and shut the doors behind you. Hide yourselves but for a moment, until the denunciation passes over. For Jehovah is coming forth from his place to call to account the error of the one inhabiting the earth against him, and the earth will no longer cover over her killed ones, (Isa 26:20,21).

And so who is the one inhabiting the earth, whose error Jehovah calls to account? He doesn't tell us but tells us about his nature. He refers to them as the ruling oppressors/taskmasters driving others to work (Isa 14:4,5,6) Well, there are many of those, but are they all condemned or are some of them just putting down one foot after the other because they have no choice to do otherwise. Whether they will be condemned or not has to do with what is in their heart, Jehovah says: O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn, Lucifer/Shining one! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who were disabling nations! As for you, you have said in your heart. “To the heavens, I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne and I shall sit down in the remotest parts of the north … I shall make myself resemble the most high, (Isa 14:12,13,14).

So can we point an accusing finger at the WEF, Klaus Schwab or any of his friends at this stage, might they not also regret some of the choices they have made but are now constrained to continue along the path they have chosen to walk? We don't know. Jehovah knows what is in the heart of each individual and they may yet repent, cf. Ezk 18:27. So it is not our place to judge or condemn anyone. When Jesus spoke out against the scribes and the Pharisees shortly before he was arrested, he did not judge/condemn individuals but condemned their belief and their system of governance, (Mt 23:1, 13-38). That is something we can and indeed ought to do.

The circumstance under which we came into this world is different for each person and determines where our allegiances lie. Jehovah doesn't choose sides but looks for ways he can best help individuals to examine their situation and help them see a way out when the harness becomes irksome and we ask for help. This is the bread he gives to each person. His goal is to help them to see who they are and what they are doing, (Mt 6:11). That is Jehovah's way.

Yes, but it does say that when the denunciation passes over the earth will no longer cover over her killed ones, (Isa 26:21). Those killed at that time are killed by the long sword, [Jesus's sayings cf. Jhn 12:47-49; Heb 4:12], coming out of the mouth … of the one seated on the horse and all the birds of heaven are filled from the fleshy parts of them, (Rev 19:11). They are killed because even though they know what Jesus taught they refused to heed his words. ...But if anyone hears my sayings and does not keep them ... the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day., (Jhn 12:47,48). I am glad it is not up to me to judge and it is Jehovah and Jesus that take care of this. At that time the beast of Rev 13:1-3; 17:11 and the false prophet that performed in front of it ), i.e. constitutional entities (Rev13:11-15), while still active, are hurled into the fiery lake, (Rev 19: 20). But each one of those killed by the long sword of Jesus's sayings will get a proper hearing at the end of the thousand-year rule, where all their actions and their reasons for doing them are examined. And it is only then that those judged adversely are thrown into the lake of fire, (Rev 20:11,12,13). Even as Peter wrote: Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise … but he is patient with you because he does not want any to be destroyed but desires all to attain repentance.

No, Jehovah doesn't take sides in human affairs, as Peter was forced to acknowledge: For a certainty I perceive, that God is not partial, but in every nation, the man that fears God is acceptable to him. , (Acts 10:34). And we are now fast approaching the time when the heavenly messenger will fly in mid-heaven with everlasting good news, Saying: “Fear God and give him glory because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One that made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters, (Rev 14:6,7).
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