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Re: The Open Letter to e-Watchman follower(s)

#11 Post by apollos0fAlexandria » 7 months ago

Get out of her wrote: 7 months ago I hope you understand I do not presumptuously and pridefully assume that you or for that matter ANY of my dear brothers and sisters value my input on the spiritual/scriptural issues that are raised in it,
Hi Sol

Speaking for myself it's not that I don't value it, but I find there is too much noise in your posts for me to get the point.

I appreciate that other people may respond differently to different styles of communication, but just thought I'd give my personal feedback.

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Apollos

P.S. ... and I really tried on this thread. I read your post hoping that I'd understand you by a few paragraphs in, but I eventually gave up.

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#12 Post by Proselytiser of Jah » 7 months ago

apollos0fAlexandria wrote: 7 months ago
Get out of her wrote: 7 months ago I hope you understand I do not presumptuously and pridefully assume that you or for that matter ANY of my dear brothers and sisters value my input on the spiritual/scriptural issues that are raised in it,
Hi Sol

Speaking for myself it's not that I don't value it, but I find there is too much noise in your posts for me to get the point.

I appreciate that other people may respond differently to different styles of communication, but just thought I'd give my personal feedback.

Best,
Apollos

P.S. ... and I really tried on this thread. I read your post hoping that I'd understand you by a few paragraphs in, but I eventually gave up.
I admit I feel the same way.

The posts are very hard to make sense of GOTH, and my eyes eventually feel like slot machine wheels and by the time I reach the end I didn't even know what the point of what was being said was (well half the time at least) :lol: Though I do appreciate you passion for these subjects.
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Re: The Open Letter to e-Watchman follower(s)

#13 Post by Stranger » 7 months ago

apollos0fAlexandria wrote: 7 months ago P.S. ... and I really tried on this thread. I read your post hoping that I'd understand you by a few paragraphs in, but I eventually gave up.
With all due respect,

That seems to be where I'm at as well too. I get to reading Sol's posts and then determine that there's a whole lot of noise I'm hearing that's not necessary. Sol, if you're reading this I hope you're not getting a big head thinking that you are that much more advanced than me or the rest of us cause that's just not possible my friend. Whatever you're finding out spiritually and scripturally is fine but please don't make the mistake of thinking you are blessed in some supreme way that others are not. (Pr 3:5)

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Re: The Open Letter to e-Watchman follower(s)

#14 Post by Get out of her » 6 months ago

I genuinely appreciated your input here my brothers and I think it would only be disrespectful on my part not to respond in some manner; especially since I have been dealing with comments such as this for several years now as at least two of you are well aware. I'm assuming (Poj) you meant to say –Gooh as opposed to Goth? Is that correct?

First of all with respect to the specific post here that brought this issue up again, (not complaining here) I'm aware that at least some of my posts might be even somewhat more difficult to deal with than others and I sensed that actually in this case which is why I endeavored to sum things up much more simply and concisely in the final paragraph. Perhaps I might encourage you to simply skip to the last paragraph on this occasion and if you were to disagree on some particular point you should find (as usual) no shortage of scriptural substantiation for it in the PREVIOUS paragraphs.

But as far as this issue goes generally speaking which I realize is ongoing, I wish I could convey how very difficult it is for me to explain any more than I already have over the last several years. If you imagine for even one moment I am unaware of what you see as a problem here and that I do not sympathize with your position on it, perhaps it might help to inform you that the specific post you are referring to in this case is actually one among MANY that I ended up basically throwing away MUCH of what I had written on it. As is often the case I began with the intention of addressing a FEW issues I see as being touched on in Strahz's letter which I recognize as EXTREMELY important to produce a genuine scriptural perspective on. However in a short time I began to discern it would basically involve writing an entire book to do it any real justice, which is why I decided instead to focus strictly on only ONE scripture that I believed would be very effective to establish the ONE point which I recognized as the most important in this case. And yet as is in fact ALWAYS the case with Jehovah's word and which I once again irrefutably demonstrated, it is something MUCH deeper and also MUCH DIFFERENT than what we have always been led to believe from the antichrist.

I am currently sitting on a dozen or so pages on the topic of the Great Tribulation ALONE that for the time being at least I refuse to post, and as you can see I have already posted MANY pages on that one topic alone. I've ALREADY tossed SEVERAL pages of the reply I am endeavoring to make at this very moment, and I hope people can appreciate I always feel a measure of GUILT when I do so. But why would this be?

First of all with respect more particularly to the way that Stranger worded his complaint in this case, the fact is I never even considered myself as some kind of intellectual, and I still do not. Also I have zero interest in proving ANYTHING to ANYONE, other than things like the fact that Jehovah's word is true and that it genuinely does have all the answers we are currently seeking whether we currently realize it or not. But here are a few more things I might never have even attempted to let people in on which may or may not help them better understand why my posts most often appear as rather cumbersome; or at least if I had not experienced three or more of my dear brothers and sisters simultaneously confronting me on the challenges involved in dealing with them.

Not only do I have no interest whatsoever in convincing people I am some sort of intellectual, I take no credit at all for what they find in my writings, just as I accept no blame for it. Everything I have in the way of scriptural knowledge and understanding or even the lack thereof was HANDED to me largely with two separate anointings that occurred between the year 2010 and 2014. If any of you had known me prior to this you would be well aware that what you are seeing in my posts does not even BEGIN to reflect the scriptural knowledge and understanding OR the intellect of the incredibly lowly and insignificant Sol. Nevertheless after experiencing the SECOND anointing, the fact is I AM actually in a position to give you the scriptural reasons why my writings at least APPEAR as something more than you might be willing to deal with. But here's the caveat.

You see it's basically for the very same reason I know these answers that I also know you are not at least CURRENTLY in a position to genuinely appreciate them or perhaps even to GRASP them. This in turn is one of the reasons I have never even attempted to fully explain why I appear to make no effort at all to simplify my posts. But among the things I would very much LIKE for you to appreciate here is that SoL Mayer is BY NO MEANS the one that currently does not WANT you to grasp or appreciate such things, let alone potentially even be offended over them. (Ro 9:33) (Joh 6:60) You see among the things I have personally EXPERIENCED after my second anointing is something I also clearly see in ALL the prophetic patterns connected with these foretold time frames in which Jehovah is preparing to re-establish his power and authority on the earth. And particularly in view of the tremendous guiltiness the anointed ones bear (whether directly or indirectly) in these time frames over the broken covenant that REQUIRES these "comings of the kingdom," it is so extremely humbling, amazing and heart warming to witness or observe. (Mr 12:11) (Le 4:3)

One of the primary things Jehovah is LOOKING for in the two prophets or "two witnesses" he ALWAYS "appoints" (Mt 24:45) to minister to the anointed "widows" and "virgins" of these broken marriage covenants is ones who would actually serve as strong ADVOCATES of the very same anointed ones who would most often prefer to CRUCIFY his prophets in these time frames rather than actually paying heed to what they have to say. (Re 11:3) In other words the countless pages of "unnecessary noise" (one of the more respectful terms that has been used for it) that I have REFUSED to post over the years is simply a tiny example of the fallout of what I could only describe as a kind of tug-o-war, wrestling, or even constant arguing going on between myself and Jehovah, which FORTUNATELY he actually WANTS from me in this case.

Please try to appreciate that when SOL MAYER sits down to write to his dear fellow anointed brothers and sisters, REGARDLESS of how he is treated, HIS objective is to reach out to ALL his fellow anointed ones to deliver Jehovah's messages and TRUE teachings to them, and in a MANNER that ALL of them could EASILY grasp AND appreciate. But the fact is JEHOVAH'S objective is just a bit different, or at least in these prophetic time frames. Just as has already been demonstrated for us throughout the entire history of his nation, HIS objective is to sift through these many hundreds or perhaps even THOUSANDS of anointed ones and select a mere HANDFUL of them that he intends to renew the broken covenant with. (Ho 6:5) (Mt 22:14) (Lu 22:28, 29) (Mal 3:2, 3)

As you might expect, I almost ALWAYS lose the argument, but in so doing I actually WIN! You see while I'm CONSTANTLY subjected to the indignity of having to look at the finished product and see GLARING and irrefutable proof that I have yet again lost the "tug-o-war" match, the fact is every single one of my writing sessions begins basically with a PRAYER to do just that! (Lu 22:42) I am always thrilled beyond MEASURE to be forced to realize that I am not even the one who WROTE these things, since I am keenly aware that ANY legitimate spiritual "feeding" or "clothing" that occurs in ANY time frame ultimately comes ONLY from Jehovah himself; certainly NOT from someone like the INCREDIBLY lowly and insignificant Sol. (Mt 25:34-40) (2 Pe 1:20)

Therefore what I would humbly and lovingly encourage my dear brothers and sisters to do instead of always pressuring me to change the way I write would be to simply focus on the things Jehovah always commands us to do in order that his word would not be appearing to us as "carefully concealed sacred secrets" in the first place. (Pr 2:4) (Col 2:3) (Mt 13:10-15) Just as Jehovah actually speaks and writes HIS OWN word, he is also the one who ultimately reveals its "secrets." (Mt 16:17) (Ac 16:14) What we want to appreciate about these 11 or so disciples Jesus is speaking to here in Matthew 13:10-15 is that they WERE the handful or "few" among the anointed "virgins" whom Jehovah recognized in the first century as genuinely endeavoring to obey all these commands. (Mt 22:14) I see no reason to get into the specifics of these at the moment since I have been repeating them over and over again for several years now.

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#15 Post by Proselytiser of Jah » 6 months ago

Get out of her wrote: 6 months ago I'm assuming (Poj) you meant to say –Gooh as opposed to Goth? Is that correct?

Yes, I have a very bad habit of typos as I type fast and don't check over my writing thoroughly enough (which makes me look either dyslexic or not a native English speaker). I installed a spelling and grammar checker on my browser recently, so I can put a stop to that now, lol.
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#16 Post by Proselytiser of Jah » 6 months ago

Get out of her wrote: 6 months ago I never even considered myself as some kind of intellectual, and I still do not. Also I have zero interest in proving ANYTHING to ANYONE...

Not only do I have no interest whatsoever in convincing people I am some sort of intellectual, I take no credit at all for what they find in my writings, just as I accept no blame for it.


Agape love;
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If it's any comfort to you, I've never regarded you as a puffed up or as someone trying to show off as an intellectual, just someone with a passion about God's word and who seeks to get into the deeper aspects of it. I can empathise with you because I sometimes have a habit of rambling (one of the reasons I began writing and blogging, not only in faith matters, but in general on other platforms I blog on). I have an inner need to express all my thoughts a lot of the time, so I get that.

Nevertheless after experiencing the SECOND anointing, the fact is I AM actually in a position to give you the scriptural reasons why my writings at least APPEAR as something more than you might be willing to deal with. But here's the caveat.

You see it's basically for the very same reason I know these answers that I also know you are not at least CURRENTLY in a position to genuinely appreciate them or perhaps even to GRASP them.

One of the primary things Jehovah is LOOKING for in the two prophets or "two witnesses" he ALWAYS "appoints" (Mt 24:45) to minister to the anointed "widows" and "virgins" of these broken marriage covenants is ones who would actually serve as strong ADVOCATES of the very same anointed ones who would most often prefer to CRUCIFY his prophets in these time frames rather than actually paying heed to what they have to say. (Re 11:3) In other words the countless pages of "unnecessary noise" (one of the more respectful terms that has been used for it) that I have REFUSED to post over the years is simply a tiny example of the fallout of what I could only describe as a kind of tug-o-war, wrestling, or even constant arguing going on between myself and Jehovah, which FORTUNATELY he actually WANTS from me in this case.
I can't judge anyone's calling or spiritual experiences, so I won't go ahead and start calling this statement presumptuous. But at the same time I will say, try not to judge others who struggle to understand your posts as merely people who "are not ready to grasp" things you write, it's merely a matter of the "formatting" of the content, as some may find it difficult to get through the post to sift out the main points you wished to bring to bare. So beware not to develop a "prophet complex".

It's not a matter of not understanding the spiritual material, but a matter of making sense of it within the crowded paragraphs, that's all.


Perhaps it may be useful to section off each part of your post via subheadings and subjects? (I try to do this to help break things up for readers, myself). I don't want you to feel outcasted or unappreciated brother, only aware of the difficulty to make out the posts in general. :)

But I don't want that to let you dim your enthusiasm for your study and sharing of your studies (if that could ever be dimmed by the sound of it haha).
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Re: The Open Letter to e-Watchman follower(s)

#17 Post by Strazh » 6 months ago

Get out of her wrote: 7 months ago What this is all leading up to here Strazh is the fact that as long as we keep allowing ourselves to be blinded to incredibly key scriptural truths or teachings which in reality have ALWAYS been right in front of our eyes, we will only CONTINUE feeling compelled to overlook ones that make it perfectly clear that true prophets of Jehovah would be appearing on the earth all the way up to and even well BEYOND the Millennial Reign! (Am 3:7) (Re 10:7 11:3, 18) Assuming we are not personally ONE of them, the only real question here is- would we ever even be moved at some point to bother seeking them out in the first place, and if so WHEN, WHERE, HOW, and for that matter exactly WHY?
Hi Sol.

I didn't win your message completely. But I think the main idea was written in these words. ^

In any case, I would like to answer exactly this question.

There are people who are looking for God. (Acts 17:27)
There are also people who are looking for real servants of God.

Whoever finds God will find his true servants (1 John 4:5,6).
Whoever has not found God will not find his true servants (Jeremiah 17:5).

Similarly, real servants of God direct the listeners' attention to God as Jesus and the prophets did.
False ministers, false teachers and false prophets direct the attention of listeners to themselves. They shout loudly, tell fables (including conspiracy ones) and drown out the voice of God. GB and many others do this.
I don't speak English, so sorry for the mistakes and style.

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Re: The Open Letter to e-Watchman follower(s)

#18 Post by Get out of her » 6 months ago

It was good to hear from you again Paj and I'd like to respond to your comments.

It would probably be a good idea for me to begin by explaining what I meant by the statement you are referring to since I would like to assure you it has nothing to do with judging people or wanting to look down on them or feel superior to them.

There are several commands that Jehovah always issues to the anointed ones that apply in the prophetic time frames in which another apostasy on the part of his appointed earthly shepherds "destroys" the "sanctuary" or "temple" spoken of in accounts like 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17 or Matthew 24:15, 16. Due to the fact that I greatly TREASURE my dear brothers and sisters as opposed to looking down on them or judging them, I have been directing their attention to these commands for several years now and demonstrating with reference scriptures exactly what these commands actually mean or otherwise exactly how they can be obeyed. I cherish them so much that I continue doing this despite knowing that most often it will only tend to increase any angry or resentful feelings they already have for me.

If I for example find myself considering things like criticisms or complaints of yet another ridiculous statement or false teaching from the Watchtower organization that someone heard at a recent meeting or read in a recent Watchtower article, this makes it painfully clear to me that they are still failing to obey commands such as found in accounts like 2 Corinthians 6:17 or Matthew 24:15, 16. Since I am keenly aware that Jehovah does not bless disobedient ones with things like an accurate understanding of his "sacred secrets," rest assured it comes as no surprise to me when I often find myself considering statements or understandings on spiritual matters from these very same people that I can easily overturn or refute with the scriptures. Despite the fact that I know they will never be able to fully grasp OR appreciate the ACCURATE understanding of the various scriptures and points I nonetheless feel compelled to share with them until if or when they begin to obey such commands, its because I DO NOT look down on them or judge them that I do so nonetheless.
it's merely a matter of the "formatting" of the content, as some may find it difficult to get through the post to sift out the main points you wished to bring to bare.
It would likely be very good for us to understand that formatting is actually among the various ways that Jehovah "carefully conceals" his "sacred secrets" from all but the eyes of the ones he wants to reveal them to. I was just recently pointing out what is perhaps the supreme example of this with the book of Revelation. Even aside from the deeply symbolic language it is absolutely saturated with, the fact is Revelation is formatted in a manner that I can only describe as simultaneously linear and layered. (Re 1:1) At the same time its formatting gives no indication whatsoever that it goes both forward and backward in time with the events it is referring to. Until the moment of my second anointing this formatting ALONE had me completely blinded to the better portion of what was actually being conveyed. Moreover even up until this moment I have never encountered ANY writings or statements from ANYONE other than those of ones like the Apostle Paul that would convince me they actually understand or otherwise WOULD have understood what is being conveyed in this book. There is no question in my mind that if Paul had still been alive at the time Revelation was written he would have immediately recognized a formatting technique used in it that would have seemed extremely remarkable to him. He also would have immediately understood the purpose of this formatting.
So beware not to develop a "prophet complex".
I don't believe I ever heard the term "prophet complex" before. Nevertheless I would suggest it might be a fitting description of at least ONE of the MANY things that currently afflict Sol Mayer. As you already seem to understand it is a VERY serious ailment. Even worse it is DEATH dealing, and in both a spiritual and literal sense.

Once again due to the fact that we ALL have been heavily programmed by the antichrist to constantly overlook the specific setting and context we are dealing with in any given scriptural passage, I see this as yet another good opportunity to remind my dear brothers and sisters to develop the habit of paying much closer attention to these things. But how might that be of tremendous benefit in this case?

Regardless of whether they realize it or not, identifying oneself as a prophet of Jehovah in a setting or time frame in which we are eagerly anticipating another foretold "coming of the kingdom" would IF ANYTHING amount to a humble and repentant confession rather than something like a presumptuous or prideful claim. We can be rather certain that a FALSE prophet would not be aware of this, or for that matter aware that to identify themselves with scriptural terms such as the "faithful and wise steward" or "appointed slave" would amount to the SAME as referring to themselves as a prophet, and specifically one IN that same setting. For that reason alone it's rather safe to assume such a claim on their part WOULD INDEED be rather prideful and presumptuous at the very least.

You see at least in a foretold setting of a broken holy marriage covenant that always reduces the anointed ones into spiritually "sleeping" "widows" and "virgins" in desperate need to in effect make it to the next foretold "marriage feast," taking on the identity of a prophet or otherwise an "APPOINTED slave" would involve just a bit more than pointing to yourself as one of the "two witnesses" or "inspectors" of the anointed ones appointed by Jehovah to actually begin producing the spiritual "feeding" and "clothing" necessary to have the broken kingdom covenant renewed with them. (Mt 24:45 25:1, 2, 5, 10) (La 1:1, 4) (Lu 19:44) Just as prophesies by ones like the Apostle John at the end of the first century make perfectly clear, this "sin of the priest" would require the very same cycle of events laid our for us in the early part of the first century or for that matter the ministry of the "son of man" or "two witnesses" several centuries beforehand which was conducted by Ezekiel and Jeremiah, and which resulted in the spiritual "birth" or renewed holy "covenant" that was manifested in ancient Babylon. (Le 4:3) (Re 11:3, 7, 11, 12) (Eze 2:1 17:12, 13, 16) (Da 2:47-49) The very same cycle of events in fact that occurred with the ministries of Haggai and Zechariah that led to the very same thing in connection with the Medo-Persian Empire. (Isa 44:28, 45:1)

I can assure you Paj that all this is by no means "unnecessary noise." Until the moment yet another ministry of the "two witnesses" can at least BEGIN to undo the IMMEASURABLE damage and commensurate spiritual blindness that yet anther broken holy covenant has inflicted on Jehovah's nation and people, it is a TINY FRACTION of what is needed to help the anointed "virgins" even BEGIN to grasp things like the following:

When a broken holy covenant "REMOVES" the Christ and by extension the atoning value of what up UNTIL that moment HAD BEEN a "CONTINUAL" value of its "sacrifice," and "PUTS IN ITS PLACE" a very "disgusting" counterfeit that immediately "DESTROYS" Jehovah's holy "sanctuary' or "temple" identified in accounts like 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17, this among other things means that the "two witnesses" or prophets who eventually arrive to "prepare the way" for another restoration of true worship on the earth would humbly and repentantly CONFESS to taking on such an identity. (Da 11:30-32) (2 Th 2:1-4) (Mt 24:15, 16) This is because a GENUINE prophet in these settings understands all too well things such as the following:

1. The ONLY thing that distinguishes them from the spiritually unclean and even "sleeping" anointed "widows" and "virgins" of this broken marriage covenant for the moment is that they are now the figurative "carcass" in the wilderness that any among these "virgins" who would choose to be recognized by Jehovah as "discreet" would now need to feed on like "eagles." (Mt 24:28 25:5) (Re 12:14) (Le 11:13)

2. Since these prophets are already keenly aware that the teachings and messages they are assigned to deliver will for the most part sound COMPLETELY different from basically EVERYTHING these "virgins" have been taught their entire lives as if it were a completely "new song," and also that they will generally find it rather "offensive" to be informed of things like the fact that they are essentially "unclean eagles" in DESPERATE need of both spiritual "feeding" AND the "clothing" involved with yet another atoning sacrifice or "call to heaven" of "killed witnesses," the ONLY reason they confess to being prophets is because they HAVE NO CHOICE! (Ro 9:33) (Re 11:3, 7, 11, 12 14:3) (Mt 25:34-36) (Mal 3:2, 3) They know all too well that such a title would only tend to increase the opposition and persecution they already face. They take on the identity of an actual teacher of the anointed only because it is among the examples laid out for them by their leader. (Lu 4:18. 19) (Mt 15:21)

Is any of this beginning to make more sense to you brother Paj?

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#19 Post by Proselytiser of Jah » 6 months ago

Get out of her wrote: 6 months ago
Is any of this beginning to make more sense to you brother Paj?

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From what I understand... you feel the scriptures are saying that... Christianity was once a pure virgin bride, and due to apostasy Christianty's covenant with Christ has been broken, so there has to be a "new marriage" in the form of prophets coming along to explain the true meaning of the scriptures in order to repair or.. establish Christ's covenant?
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#20 Post by Get out of her » 6 months ago

Thank you for your message Strazh:

Yes that paragraph you cited was intended to stress the primary the point I was tying to convey. Also assuming I am understanding you correctly would have to agree with all the points you make in connection with it.

The only thing I would encourage you to be mindful of however is that while the one in Jeremiah is written in a setting of a BROKEN kingdom covenant or otherwise one in which God's nation basically does not even EXIST on the earth, the ones in the New Testament were penned in a time frame when the holy nation DID actually exist. There in the first letter of John however it was actually IN THE PROCESS of going into oblivion again with yet another arrival of the "antichrist." (1 Joh 2:18) In this case however it appears to me that at east two of these scriptures would apply in EITHER setting. Basically the only exception I see here is a PORTION of Paul's words since a broken covenant means that we have actually managed to place Jehovah in the position spoken of in accounts like Matthew 23:37-39. In at least some sense he would actually be rather FAR from us until we again find ourselves in the setting we are considering there in Acts 17:27.

In view of the language difficulty I'd like you to understand that I appreciate your efforts to communicate and share with us in these Bible discussions all the more.

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