Hi Amos,AmosAu2 wrote: ↑3 years ago Bruno,
The following will be my last word on this subject, unless you are able to see the folly of your thinking. I quoted this before, but am quoting it again. : the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
You see, we only have this life to prove the type of person that we are. If we have lived a good life, being obedient to our Fathers commandments &/or have repented of a former course of disobedience & oppression of others, we will attain the life everlasting.
Conversely, if we have lived a life ignoring the commandments of God without repenting before death....we will not receive life at all, BUT WILL DIE! This is the general theme that runs right through the bible. I'd suggest you beg Father for the eyes of discernment before it's too late.
I am willing to see the folly in my thinking.
For the sake of Stranger I thought I would try and stay on topic for once. It is proving far harder than expected As Stranger likes Billy, I suppose if I can spin things around Billy’s ideas maybe Stranger will forgive me?
Your reading of Ezekiel (as well as other scriptures) has led you and many other sincere Christians to understand God will judge people worthy of everlasting life or death based only on what they have done in this life. So when he resurrects the unrighteous it is only to pass judgment on them and then kill them again. I think this is actually what the majority of Christians believe today (except many believe in eternal suffering rather than a second death)
It basically comes down to God desiring to lead all people to repentance, but upon realizing he won’t succeed with a large portion of mankind, he is left with no other choice other than to kill them or torture them eternally.
Amos I want to try and approach this from a different angle. As God designed us and so knows exactly what makes us tick, what is it then about our makeup that presents such an insurmountable obstacle to him? Preventing him from eventually finding a way to lead everyone to repentance?
The example Daniel used is a good one. God led David to repentance by getting David to first condemn someone for doing something David thought he would never ever do himself in similar circumstances.
2 Samuel 12:5-6
5 David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, “As surely as the LORD lives, the man who did this must die! 6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.”
God then demonstrated how David was actually the man he thought he would never become.
Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! 2 Samuel 12:7
God actually used this method a few times in scripture. Peter claiming he would never ever deny Jesus is another interesting one.
Amos I think you believe the folly in my thinking lies here. In believing God will succeed somehow with everyone just as he found a way to succeed with David.
I think if all of us realized that “we are the man” or could potentially have acted in a similar or some equivalent way to Adam, David, Peter or Thomas etc. given unlimited opportunity and time, then it would be far easier for us to understand things, and we may even become more forgiving as a result, as in essence we would just be forgiving a potential version of ourselves. If God had a way of permanently removing all potential for us to ever sin again then we may become more receptive to the idea 1 Corinthians 15:53-54
Ok now for the hard bit, I have to try and connect this with Billy
I, like Billy, am confident God can find a way to turn our hearts the right way up, If he succeeds? then watch and see what happens to the world