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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#11 Post by Bruno » 3 years ago

lynchpin wrote: โ†‘3 years ago Aww, Stranger,

I have enjoyed your thoughts very much as it's been a gentle ride. :heart2:

If you ride away into the sunset (like John Wayne), turn and give us a wave. (There's a youtube video of him I'm sure somewhere).


Best wishes wherever you decide to travel.

Regards
I think both Stranger and John Wayne rode off to the same place. The foot of the cross.

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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#12 Post by Phoebe » 3 years ago

Nice one Bruno๐Ÿ‘

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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#13 Post by Bruno » 3 years ago

Daniel12 wrote: โ†‘3 years ago Hi Bruno :D

I really liked that video. ๐Ÿ‘

I'm not sure how it escaped me because this was the first time I've seen it.

Maybe It's because I'm loyal and only look at official Anointed drinks. ๐Ÿฅƒ

https://img.youtube.com/vi/1bbuNsxWkDo/0.jpg

See Stranger,------ all you're gonna miss. All it takes is one laugh to make your day. :D
Hi Daniel,

I must admit I do have a weakness for the anointed drinks :) There has always been something about Tony that I liked. Now I know why.
Still, I reckon he was buying it for people in the legal profession. I've know a few lawyers and this is exactly their kind of drink.

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/protectedimag ... g_04032007

I was thinking that maybe the reason you haven't seen this particular Guinness advert is because it probably wouldn't have gone down so well in the states. I have looked at it a few times and each time I feel more and more amazed, that if we did come about by some sort of programmed process, it makes God look like even more of a genius than he already does. Sometimes what we may perceive as being our enemy could in fact turn out to be our best friend.
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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#14 Post by Daniel12 » 3 years ago

Hi Bruno
each time I feel more and more amazed, that if we did come about by some sort of programmed process, it makes God look like even more of a genius than he already does. Sometimes what we may perceive as being our enemy could in fact turn out to be our best friend.
So do you think evolution was part of God plan? Some Christians believe life evolved into different species and in different parts of the earth. In other words God created or allowed the Chinese to evolve in Asia. He allowed or created the Blacks in Africa. The Whites in Britain, Jews in Israel, Indians in the Americans and so on. Many are dismissing the Adam and Eve story as being literal. Which is why some countries don't have or use the bible because God didn't provided it in their area. Other books took form like the Koran.

The new Christians don't buy the idea that all humans are paying the penalty of the sin of one man and one woman, Adam and Eve. Instead they feel that humans are evolving into higher beings that will reflect the higher beings that already exist.

Genesis 1:26 MSG
God spoke: โ€œLet us make human beings in our image, make them reflecting our nature

One reason they feel this way is because different full born races cannot produce another race by themselves. In other words, two blacks cannot produce a blond, or vise versa. The only way they can is if they pass on their genes to each other.

This verse is interesting. Man became like God and whoever else he was referring to when he said 'LIKE ONE OF US" knowing the difference between good and bad, But, they (US) didn't want man to live forever. :(

MSG Genesis 3:22
God said, โ€œThe Man has become like one of us, capable of knowing everything, ranging from good to evil. What if he now should reach out and take fruit from the Tree-of-Life and eat, and live forever? Neverโ€”this cannot happen!โ€

Maybe humans need to evolve into better beings and qualify before they are given an opportunity to live forever. ๐Ÿ’

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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#15 Post by Bruno » 3 years ago

Daniel12 wrote: โ†‘3 years ago Hi Bruno
each time I feel more and more amazed, that if we did come about by some sort of programmed process, it makes God look like even more of a genius than he already does. Sometimes what we may perceive as being our enemy could in fact turn out to be our best friend.
So do you think evolution was part of God plan?

Maybe humans need to evolve into better beings and qualify before they are given an opportunity to live forever. ๐Ÿ’

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12 ... 191019.jpg
Hi Daniel,
I think the beginning, just like a seed, was information rich.

Genesis 1:26 MSG
God spoke: โ€œLet us make human beings in our image, make them reflecting our nature

Genesis 2:15-17 Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it. 16And the LORD God commanded him, โ€œYou may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.โ€โ€ฆ

MSG Genesis 3:22
God said, โ€œThe Man has become like one of us, capable of knowing everything, ranging from good to evil. What if he now should reach out and take fruit from the Tree-of-Life and eat, and live forever? Neverโ€”this cannot happen!โ€

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKo5IvvtnWw

The journey from a seed to a fully grown mature person is a long and difficult one. But by the end of it maybe the challenges met along the way will have served to help us obtain something we didnโ€™t have in the beginning, Wisdom. Itโ€™s possible God knew the best path to wisdom was also going to be the most difficult one, Romans 5:3-5; Romans 15:4

Matthew 16 Take Up Your Cross
23But Jesus turned and said to Peter, โ€œGet behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.โ€ 24Then Jesus told His disciples, โ€œIf anyone would come after Me,he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 25For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.โ€ฆ

Proverbs 11:30 New International Version (NIV)
30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life,
and the one who is wise saves lives.

1 Corinthians 1:30
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from Godโ€”that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. (NIV)

Colossians 2:2-3
My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. (NIV)
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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#16 Post by Daniel12 » 3 years ago

Hi Bruno :D

I was invited to a Christian church a few weeks ago and their belief is kind of interesting. It was something new that I had never heard of.

Polygenism!!!!

The members are mostly educated in the field of sciences, like biology, physics, doctors, and scientists.
Briefly, Polygenism is the belief that โ€human origins which posits the view that the human races are of different origins (polygenesis). This view is opposite to the idea of monogenism, which posits a single origin of humanity.
To make polygenism compatible with the Biblical account in the early chapters of the Book of Genesis, some argument is needed to the effect that what is in the Bible is incomplete. Three standard positions are:
โ€ข Pre-Adamism;
โ€ข Co-Adamism;[9]
โ€ข incompleteness of the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.

One of these positons--Co-Adamism claims that there was more than one Adam or small groups of men, created at the same time in different places across the Earth, and therefore that the different races were separately created.

In 1591 Giordano Bruno argued that because no one could imagine that the Jews and the Ethiopians had the same ancestry, then God must have either created separate Adams or Africans were the descendants of pre-Adamite races.

An anonymous Biblical paper supporting co-Adamism was published in 1732 entitled Co-adamitae or an Essay to Prove the Two Following. Paradoxes, --That There Were Other Men Created at the Same time with Adam,
Now this book is interesting in that it shows how evolution falls short of giving a coherent explanation for the diversity of races on earth. Itโ€™s just a big story of adaptation base on random selection.
Henry Home, Lord Kames was a believer in co-Adamism. Home believed God had created different races on Earth in separate regions. In his book Sketches on the History of Man in 1734 Home claimed that the environment, climate, or state of society could not account for racial differences, so that the races must have come from distinct, separate stocks.
Anyway, I just started researching this theory.

Now this is really interesting. Just like there are Christian Polygenism, there are also Atheist Polygenism and Agnostic Polygenism. :lol:

Here is the article in case you want to learn more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygenism#The_Bible

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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#17 Post by Daniel12 » 3 years ago

Hi Bruno ๐Ÿ’

Iโ€™m really not an advocate of evolution yet. I read almost all of Richard Dawkinsโ€™s books as well as many others and to me it just seems to be points of view no different than the Tony Morrisโ€™s point of view on tight pants.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/52/a0/63 ... edb193.jpg

Evolution theory is nothing more than a collection of anecdotes, a serious of hunches, and point of views by some scientists who are under pressure to embrace the theory or risk losing their careers. Their environment is no different than the disfellowshipping environment of the Jehovah Witnesses.

The fossil record proves nothing; itโ€™s just mystifying and doesnโ€™t really make a lot of sense.
Also; we have never been able in any way theoretically to examine the central Darwinian claims that natural selection and random variation can account for a great deal of complexity. ๐Ÿ’-------๐Ÿ•บ

We have tons of demonstrations in the other fields of science like physics that can be demonstrated in a lab to prove their theories. ๐Ÿš€

But we donโ€™t have โ€œAny Demonstration in a control lab to prove random variation and natural selection, and see the consequences.

WHY NOT!! :lol:

Lastly, If random variation and natural selection is true, we should be able to manipulate organisms. But we canโ€™t seem to be able to replicate the suppose fact that life evolved from simpler forms into more complex ones. ๐Ÿ-----------------๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธ

Animals, bacteria, viruses may change to fight antibiotics, but they stay in their fundamental nature. Bugs continue to stay bugs, and chickens continue to stay chickens. ๐Ÿ“----------------------๐Ÿ“


The evidence that we do have seems to suggest that the different varieties of complex life just appeared out of nowhere. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ„๐Ÿ‹๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿˆ๐ŸŠ

Only the fossils of such animals exist not because they evolved into something else, but because they went extinct for some reason or another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmPgthajlh0

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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#18 Post by Bruno » 3 years ago

Daniel12 wrote: โ†‘3 years ago Hi Bruno ๐Ÿ’


Hi Daniel ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ„๐Ÿ‹๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿˆ๐ŸŠ

I sent you a little message :)
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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#19 Post by Bruno » 3 years ago

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I have a lot of confidence in God's ability to do things, but on this occasion, I must express doubt in his ability to replace Stranger with someone better.

Billy may have gotten this one wrong :(
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Re: Make a new plan Stan!

#20 Post by AmosAu2 » 3 years ago

Billy got a lotta things wrong!

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