How long is "a little while"?

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Sevenz
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How long is "a little while"?

#1 Post by Sevenz » 2 weeks ago

At Revelation 17:10 we are told that the reign of the 7th king will be for "a little while".
American Standard Version
Revelation 17:10
and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.
It stands to reason that this so-called "king" began to reign when the reign of the 6th "king" ended. Most of us understand that the 6th "king" was the Roman empire, which fell in 476 C.E. So that means the now-ruling 7th "king" has been ruling for a very long time, literally 1,546 years!

1,546 years = "a little while"???

How are we to understand the expression "little while" here? Can it be understood in a different sense?

Can you help me solve this puzzle?

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#2 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 weeks ago

Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

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#3 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 weeks ago

Although the 'Roman Empire' did end in 476 CE there was a foretold '10 Horns' that would arise afterwards, or come out of that Kingdom: -

Daniel 7:24 And as for the ten horns, out of that kingdom there are ten kings that will rise up;..

These '10 Horns' became what was know as the 'Holy Roman Empire' and existed way beyond that of 476 CE
The prophecy foretold that AFTER these 10 horns, another would rise up, who would be different from these 10.

Daniel 7:24...and still another one will rise up after them, and he himself will be different from the first ones, and three kings he will humiliate.

Great Britain departed from the Holy Roman Empire - it proved itself different.
The rest is summed up in the history lesson already provided in the thread linked above - viewtopic.php?p=50498#p50498

If you believe that the 10 horns are symbolic of the Roman Emperors, then 476 CE is your end and start.
However, if you read the scripture and accept that the '10 Horns' would come OUT of that Kingdom, then you look for what happened between 476 CE and the emerging of a new world power which would be the foretold 'little horn' that would arise afterwards and would be different.

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Kerry
Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

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Re: How long is "a little while"?

#4 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 weeks ago

Sevenz wrote: 2 weeks ago It stands to reason that this so-called "king" began to reign when the reign of the 6th "king" ended. Most of us understand that the 6th "king" was the Roman empire, which fell in 476 C.E. So that means the now-ruling 7th "king" has been ruling for a very long time, literally 1,546 years!
When a Kingdom is conquered by another, then the end date of one becomes the start date for the other.
For example, with the transfer of power from Babylon to Persia in 539 BCE

However, Rome was never really conquered by another Kingdom, it split into factions.
We must remember that the Iron - found in the legs of the dream image - is also found in its feet.

Daniel 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.

Daniel 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.

The '10 horns' and even the 'little horn' that came up afterward, all came from the ashes of Rome.

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Kerry
Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

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Re: How long is "a little while"?

#5 Post by coccus ilicis » 2 weeks ago

Hi,

The way I see it, looking at it from Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue perspective, Babylon, Medo/Persia, Greece and then the legs of Iron, Rome which ends up with feet of iron mixed with clay. Roman rule was not replaced but became a democracy bit by bit, The Nameless War by Archibald Ramsay gives the details. A pdf file of the book can be downloaded here: https://archive.org/download/maule-arch ... 201952.pdf

The four beasts of Dan 7 start with Medo/Persia (cf. Dan 7:17), so the 4th beast is the nascent democratic beast that started to come into its own at the time of the French revolution. At the tail end of this democratic beast's rule, described in Rev 13:1,2, it becomes multipolar, with each of the ten horns having an equal say (Rev 17:12,13). So why does it say at Rev 17:10 he must remain a little while?

We are told that these beasts are the mountains where the woman sits, and that the woman is a great city having a kingdom over the kings of the earth, (Rev 17:9,18). My guess is that the U.N. made up of the ten horns which destroy the harlot, (Rev 17:15,16,17), and therefore are doing God's work, will be the ones that will remain for a little while. It will be the interim government before the son of man and his holy ones take over, (Dan 7:11, 12,13, 14, 26, 27).

It says: But as for the rest of the beasts, [those not part of the little horn], their rulership is taken away and there is a lengthening of life given to them for a time and a season. The stone strikes the feet and toes of Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue and the entire statue is pulverized. Without some form of government, those who survive the great tribulation would descend into chaos. So the ones who had done God's will and destroyed the harlot, (Rev 17:16,17) will make up the interim government that will remain for a little while.

That's my two cents worth but we'll have to wait and see how things unfold.
LRW~

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#6 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 weeks ago

Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

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#7 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 week ago

The problem with the traditional view is that Daniel had the vision of the four beasts in the 1st year of Belshazzar, (Dan 7:1), the last king of Babylon see, Dan 5: 1-30. After receiving the vision of the four beasts, (Dan 7:1-14 ). Daniel asked for more information regarding the 4th beast and was told ... As for these huge beasts because there are four, there are four kings that will stand up from the earth. The next king after Babylon's fall was Darius and Cyrus of the Medo/Persians. So the count of the beasts start with Medo/Persia, not Babylon.
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#8 Post by Kerry Huish » 1 week ago

coccus ilicis wrote: 1 week ago
The problem with the traditional view is that Daniel had the vision of the four beasts in the 1st year of Belshazzar, (Dan 7:1), the last king of Babylon see, Dan 5: 1-30. After receiving the vision of the four beasts, (Dan 7:1-14 ). Daniel asked for more information regarding the 4th beast and was told ... As for these huge beasts because there are four, there are four kings that will stand up from the earth. The next king after Babylon's fall was Darius and Cyrus of the Medo/Persians. So the count of the beasts start with Medo/Persia, not Babylon.

Let's examine the text of Daniel 7:17.

Here is the literal translation: -

These great beasts, that [are] four, [are] four kings, they rise up from the earth;

Notice the word will is missing.

Let's examine the interlinear and see if the word will appears there: -
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Mmmm, no word will in the interlinear either...

It seems you have favoured using the translations that have added the word will because they support your belief.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

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#9 Post by AmosAU » 1 week ago

Greetings all,

I'll post the actual interpretation of the dream as given to Nebuchadnezzar by Daniel.

Dan 2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. 39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. 

Regards, Amos.

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#10 Post by Marina » 1 week ago

coccus ilicis wrote: 2 weeks ago so the 4th beast is the nascent democratic beast that started to come into its own at the time of the French revolution. At the tail end of this democratic beast's rule, described in Rev 13:1,2, it becomes multipolar, with each of the ten horns having an equal say (Rev 17:12,13). So why does it say at Rev 17:10 he must remain a little while?

We are told that these beasts are the mountains where the woman sits, and that the woman is a great city having a kingdom over the kings of the earth, (Rev 17:9,18). My guess is that the U.N. made up of the ten horns which destroy the harlot, (Rev 17:15,16,17), and therefore are doing God's work, will be the ones that will remain for a little while. It will be the interim government before the son of man and his holy ones take over, (Dan 7:11, 12,13, 14, 26, 27).
The French Revolution came out of the 'Enlightenment'. The Enlightenment depended on Madam De Pompadour being the mistress of the French King (ie a harlot) in opposition to the French Queen. Madam De Pompadour supported Voltaire (ie financed him) and the philosophers in opposition to the established French Church (ie Catholic) which up-held the Christian monogamous marriage arrangement. Also, the concept to the inheritor (next king or queen) being the 1st born son or in absence of a son, 1st born daughter.

Once the Catholic Church loses its power in France, then Mesmer with his Animal Magnetism comes to the fore. This is what takes over from the Catholic exorcists. Charcot develops theories of hysteria which Freud passed on to his nephew Bernays who, from it and associated ideas of GLAMOUR produces Public Relations. It is public relations and the media which has played such a large part in who wins what election.

GLAMOUR/GRAMMAR
The Old-French word gramaire, therefore, meaning both the study of language and (a book of) magic spells, gave rise in Modern French a doublet: grammaire, meaning grammar, and grimoire, meaning a book of magic spells (gramaire was altered to grimoire under the influence of grimace and related words). The noun grimoire was borrowed into English in the mid-19th century.

– Glamour, Jugling. When Devils, Wizards, or Juglers deceive the Sight, they are said to cast Glamour o’er the Eyes of the Spectator.

https://wordhistories.net/2018/01/07/do ... r-grammar/
And their power comes from - oooh look at this car, it followed on behind a big pig's bottom at the end of the Lord Mayor's show this year.



And if you wonder why there are theatres in London - it was to take over from the churches following the times of Cromwell. For wild ideas had been fomenting about Jesus' return as the coming 5th monarch. These wild ideas had stirred up Cromwell (who had been depressed), who then went on to claim he was God's anointed and behead Charles I (who also claimed to be God's anointed). Charles II was keen to avoid further Cromwellian-type problems and wanted to distract people from the Bible. The Royal Society was likewise set up to get men to stop looking at the Bible so much and go tinker in their sheds to come up with useful inventions. Cue the Industrial Revolution and Jefferson saying 'next we are going to make out the Bible is a myth.'
Marina

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