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Re: Opposition to Shem

#11 Post by Marina » 2 weeks ago

Some thoughts - climate change - its a media/academic narrative that is not supported by the Scriptures. It is man-made climate change. Made-up by men. However things really did change when God brought about the Flood. That was a great change in the climate that really took place.

I found this video showing what looks very much like the remains of Noah's Ark.


Consider COP 27 at Sharm El Sheikh and Interfaith. All religions coming together as one - a repentance ceremony - happening Sunday 13th November 2022 - time 1:30 (note the number 13) - Arch Bishop of Canterbury is involved. It is to do with The Seminary Faith and Ecology Project and The Faith Inspired Renewable Energy Project. A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL READING OF THE HEBREW BIBLE GENESIS AND EXODUS (with no New Testament!).
The 7 Noahide Laws - Universal Morality - if you break one of their commandments, you'll be put to death by stoning.
The UN (and the Rotary Club) has accepted the Noahide Laws.

Noahide Laws & The 10 Climate Commandments - Info on COP 27

I wonder - if they push forward with these 7 Noahide Laws, they could get shown as being anti-Semitic because of changing the months/season (Bul to Ziv) which were are a fundamental part of Shem's history.

Here's a quote trying to make out Bul was the start time of the Flood. This is what I am saying cannot be supported by the Bible. Even if you want to believe it, there is NO VERSE that supports it. The only support for the 2nd month is to that the 2nd month was Ziv.
5. The Great Flood Began and Ended
The sages provide us with two possible timelines for when the Great Flood took place. According to Rabbi Eliezer, the rain began to fall on the 17th day of this month, in the 600th year of Noah’s life.7 The Talmud explains that this was the natural time for rain to fall, but the sheer volume of the deluge and the fact that hot springs rose from the earth as well were supernatural. The Talmud concludes that the Jewish sages (as opposed to the wise men of the gentiles) sided with the tradition of Rabbi Eliezer.8

After more than a year aboard the ark, Noah and the animals exited the ark on the 27th of Cheshvan.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_ ... d-Know.htm
(1 Kings 6:1) . . .And it came about in the four hundred and eightieth year after the sons of Israel came out from the land of Egypt, in the fourth year, in the month of Ziv, that is, the second month, after Sol′o‧mon became king over Israel, that he proceeded to build the house to Jehovah. . .

(1 Kings 6:37-38) . . .In the fourth year the house of Jehovah had its foundation laid, in the lunar month of Ziv; and in the eleventh year, in the lunar month of Bul, that is, the eighth month, the house was finished as regards all its details and all its plan; so that he was seven years at building it.

(Genesis 7:11) . . .In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
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Re: Opposition to Shem

#12 Post by Stranger » 2 weeks ago

Marina wrote: 2 weeks ago Some thoughts - climate change - its a media/academic narrative that is not supported by the Scriptures. It is man-made climate change. Made-up by men. However things really did change when God brought about the Flood. That was a great change in the climate that really took place.

I found this video showing what looks very much like the remains of Noah's Ark.


Consider COP 27 at Sharm El Sheikh and Interfaith. All religions coming together as one - a repentance ceremony - happening Sunday 13th November 2022 - time 1:30 (note the number 13) - Arch Bishop of Canterbury is involved. It is to do with The Seminary Faith and Ecology Project and The Faith Inspired Renewable Energy Project. A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL READING OF THE HEBREW BIBLE GENESIS AND EXODUS (with no New Testament!).
The 7 Noahide Laws - Universal Morality - if you break one of their commandments, you'll be put to death by stoning.
The UN (and the Rotary Club) has accepted the Noahide Laws.

Noahide Laws & The 10 Climate Commandments - Info on COP 27

I wonder - if they push forward with these 7 Noahide Laws, they could get shown as being anti-Semitic because of changing the months/season (Bul to Ziv) which were are a fundamental part of Shem's history.

Here's a quote trying to make out Bul was the start time of the Flood. This is what I am saying cannot be supported by the Bible. Even if you want to believe it, there is NO VERSE that supports it. The only support for the 2nd month is to that the 2nd month was Ziv.
5. The Great Flood Began and Ended
The sages provide us with two possible timelines for when the Great Flood took place. According to Rabbi Eliezer, the rain began to fall on the 17th day of this month, in the 600th year of Noah’s life.7 The Talmud explains that this was the natural time for rain to fall, but the sheer volume of the deluge and the fact that hot springs rose from the earth as well were supernatural. The Talmud concludes that the Jewish sages (as opposed to the wise men of the gentiles) sided with the tradition of Rabbi Eliezer.8

After more than a year aboard the ark, Noah and the animals exited the ark on the 27th of Cheshvan.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_ ... d-Know.htm
(1 Kings 6:1) . . .And it came about in the four hundred and eightieth year after the sons of Israel came out from the land of Egypt, in the fourth year, in the month of Ziv, that is, the second month, after Sol′o‧mon became king over Israel, that he proceeded to build the house to Jehovah. . .

(1 Kings 6:37-38) . . .In the fourth year the house of Jehovah had its foundation laid, in the lunar month of Ziv; and in the eleventh year, in the lunar month of Bul, that is, the eighth month, the house was finished as regards all its details and all its plan; so that he was seven years at building it.

(Genesis 7:11) . . .In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
Talk about perplexing? and you ain't even got started yet!
Marina wrote: 2 weeks ago if you break one of their commandments

Give me a break Marina,

Where you coming from?


Stranger went light on you, but I don't, tell me plainly baby what you plan to do.

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Re: Opposition to Shem

#13 Post by AmosAU » 2 weeks ago

Marina wrote: 2 weeks ago Amos (or anyone else - CI maybe?) what do you make of Remembrance Day 11/11/2022 (Gregorian) being on 17 Cheshvan 5783 (Hebrew Calendar).

Cheshvan is Bul - that is the 8th month.

Ziv is the 2nd month. But powers that be have done a switch on the 1st to 7th month, therefore 2nd month (Ziv) becomes 8th month (Bul).

(Genesis 7:11) 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. . .

It really changes things if you move a season from Autum to Spring. Ziv as 2nd month is the only one that makes sense because as they all get off the Ark, it is Spring-time and the animals have plenty to feed on. Also, no risk of giraffes skidding on icy bits.

I highlighted the Hebrew year in red to show that by Hebrew calendar the year isn't changing because they are taking Tishrei as the 1st month but Bible says 1st month is Nisan.
Hi Marina,

I'm glad that you've asked this question. I've recently been looking at the significance of Heshvan 17 myself. Heshvan 17 did indeed fall on 11-11-2022. I'm in the early stages of doing an article about this now.

You are correct about Heshvan 17 being the time when YHWH closed the door on the ark. This was indeed the 2nd month in the creation calendar. From the time of the exodus, YHWH gave a second calendar to the Israelites after they left Egypt, this is called "the sacred calendar." The 2 calendars complimented each other.

Exo 12:1  And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2  This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. 

From this time, there were 2 calendaers in operation. 1) the original civil or creation calendar and 2) the sacred calendar for the timing of the feast days.

This is just a simple outline, please ask for any clarification of anything that I said. The article under construction will give substantial information about this, with much additional scriptural thought that has come about from investigation into the topic of Heshvan 17.

Regards, Amos

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Re: Opposition to Shem

#14 Post by Marina » 2 weeks ago

Hi Amos - I'm saying its Ziv not Heshvan.
Let me reword that - the only second month supported by the Scriptures is Ziv. Bul/Heshvan is not the 2nd month. It is the 8th.
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Re: Opposition to Shem

#15 Post by AmosAU » 2 weeks ago

Marina wrote: 2 weeks ago Hi Amos - I'm saying its Ziv not Heshvan.
Let me reword that - the only second month supported by the Scriptures is Ziv. Bul/Heshvan is not the 2nd month. It is the 8th.
Hi Marina, I do undrstand exactly what you are saying.

The big confusion has come from theologians not nunderstand the two calendar system created by YHWH.

Prior to the Exodus, there was only one calendar which began in Tishri, the second month was Heshvan.
After the Exodus, there were two calendars, 1 for the seasons and agriculture. The second was for the purpose of organised worship, this began at Nisan and the next month was Ziv. In the sacred calendar, Ziv becomes the 8th month.

There is no contradiction with either 2 calendars or 2 second months. They were for 2 separate purposes and worked in conjunction together.

I'll post some more information as I'm able too.

Regards, Amos.

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Re: Opposition to Shem

#16 Post by Marina » 1 week ago

Hi Amos - I am saying Jehovah closed the door of the ark on Ziv 17.

To prove the point you are making (about there ever having been 2 calendars) you have to take Exodus 12:1 and show (from scripture) that the NAME of the 1st month was ever different. You need a scripture from somewhere between Genesis and Exodus 11 where it say something like 'in these days the 1st month was Tishrei.' That is how precise the Bible is in relation to time. There's no room for question or doubt. In case of doubt carefully, reread the necessary sections of the Bible and look for relevant cross references.

After Exodus 12, at Exodus 34:22 there is this statement about the TURN OF THE YEAR. So, it has already been established at Exodus 12:1 that the NAME of the 1st month is Nisan (it does not mean the NUMBER of the 1st month was ever any different).

(Exodus 34:22) . . .“And you will carry on your festival of weeks with the first ripe fruits of the wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year. . .

(Leviticus 23:4-14) . . .These are the seasonal festivals of Jehovah, holy conventions, which YOU should proclaim at their appointed times: 5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between the two evenings is the passover to Jehovah. 6 “‘And on the fifteenth day of this month is the festival of unfermented cakes to Jehovah. Seven days YOU should eat unfermented cakes. 7 On the first day YOU will have a holy convention occur. No sort of laborious work may YOU do. 8 But YOU must present an offering made by fire to Jehovah seven days. On the seventh day there will be a holy convention. No sort of laborious work may YOU do.’” 9 And Jehovah continued to speak to Moses, saying: 10 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and you must say to them, ‘When YOU eventually come into the land that I am giving YOU, and YOU have reaped its harvest, YOU must also bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of YOUR harvest to the priest. 11 And he must wave the sheaf to and fro before Jehovah to gain approval for YOU. Directly the day after the sabbath the priest should wave it to and fro. 12 And on the day of YOUR having the sheaf waved to and fro YOU must render up a sound young ram, in its first year, for a burnt offering to Jehovah; 13 and as its grain offering two tenths of an e′phah of fine flour moistened with oil, as an offering made by fire to Jehovah, a restful odor; and as its drink offering a fourth of a hin of wine. 14 And YOU must eat no bread nor roasted grain nor new grain until this very day, until YOUR bringing the offering of YOUR God. It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations in all places where YOU dwell.


The 7th month was always the 7th month. Having left Egypt, Jehovah gave these instructions to Moses

(Deuteronomy 16:16) . . .Three times in the year every male of yours should appear before Jehovah your God in the place that he will choose: in the festival of the unfermented cakes and in the festival of weeks and in the festival of booths, and none should appear before Jehovah empty-handed. . .

(Leviticus 23:39) . . .However, on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when YOU have gathered the produce of the land, YOU should celebrate the festival of Jehovah seven days. . . .

On leaving Babylon they immediately held the Festival of Booths before the foundations of Jehovah's temple had been laid.

(Ezra 3:3-6) . . .So they established the altar firmly upon its own site, for fright [came] upon them because of the peoples of the lands, and they began offering up burnt sacrifices to Jehovah upon it, the burnt sacrifices of the morning and of the evening. 4 Then they held the festival of booths according to what is written, with the burnt sacrifices day by day in number according to the rule of what was due each day. 5 And afterward there was the constant burnt offering and that for the new moons and for all the sanctified festival seasons of Jehovah and for everyone that willingly offered a voluntary offering to Jehovah. 6 From the first day of the seventh month on they started to offer up burnt sacrifices to Jehovah, when the foundation of Jehovah’s temple itself had not yet been laid.

Here is a small example of Biblical precision - the point at which the foundations are laid is carefully detailed by Jehovah.

(1 Kings 6:37) 37 In the fourth year the house of Jehovah had its foundation laid, in the lunar month of Ziv. . .

I could go on and show other examples of how God establishes time and history. But the point I am keen to make is that however many theories there are on Bul (also called - Heshvan) being the 2nd month it is not supported by scripture. Nor is there any evidence of a 2nd calendar at work within the Bible. There is only one second month (even if it is not given its name until the Exodus) in the Hebrew calendar and that second month is Ziv (also called - Iyar).

But the Bible does make this clear.

(Daniel 7:25-26) . . .And he will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, and times and half a time.  And the Court itself proceeded to sit, and his own rulership they finally took away, in order to annihilate [him] and to destroy [him] totally.
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Re: Opposition to Shem

#17 Post by AmosAU » 1 week ago

Hi Marina,

I'm sorry that you can't see what I'm saying at the present. It's just a matter of doing research to find the truth about the original creation calendar.
I don't have time to go into anymore details right now. A little research will confirm the truth about there being 2 calendars.

Regards, Amos

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Re: Opposition to Shem

#18 Post by Stranger » 1 week ago

AmosAU wrote: 1 week ago It's just a matter of doing research to find the truth about the original creation calendar.

Hi Amos,

You've heard it said, "a broken clock is right twice a day". (Gen 2:3)

Just thinking here about those two calendars you've been researching out. Thank you by the way.

I'm thinking, with the two combined complimenting calendars, they should be approximately 25 hours, give or take a day, within the synchronicity of the calender of Noah's day. (Matt 24:37)

Tip of the day: "Don't waste your time".

(Matt 24:36)

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Re: Opposition to Shem

#19 Post by AmosAU » 1 week ago

Hi Matthew,

Sounds like you're picking up where Stranger left off.

I look forward to our interactions as long as the forum stays afloat.

Regards, Amos.

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Re: Opposition to Shem

#20 Post by Stranger » 1 week ago

AmosAU wrote: 1 week ago Sounds like you're picking up where Stranger left off.
Hi Amos,

When Stranger left keep in mind, you lost a strong little brother, and I lost a legendary best friend.

It might just take a "little while" for me to depurate. (Ps 19:12 KJV)

A special thanks to Maria is in order for always being a true friend to me and to my friend. (Thank you Maria! :hearteyes: )


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