Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

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#101 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

The Chosen, part 6

In post 100 I begged the question
But what about the priests who retain possession of their land and who sup at Pharaoh's table, (Gen 47:22)?
Zechariah continues: Then I raised my eyes again, and, look a flying scroll, And Jehovah's angel says: This is the denouncement that is going forth over the surface of the earth. It records the names of those that are stealing on one side, and the names of those who are falsely making sworn oaths in God's name, on the other side. And it must lodge in his house and exterminate it, (Zech 5:1-4; cf. Zech 4:9 & Mt 7:22-27).

Then Zechariah sees an ephah measure going forth. And the angel says: This is their aspect in all the earth, [the aspect of those whose names have been written in the scroll], And look! the circular lead lid [of the ephah], is being lifted up, and Zechariah sees a woman sitting inside the ephah measure and the angel says to him: "This is wickedness". And the angel throws her back into the epha and throws the lead weight back on its mouth. Then Zechariah sees two women coming forth, [woman, wife, female], and the wind/spirit is in their [stork-like] wings ... And they are lifting the ephah measure up and taking it between the earth and heavens. And he asks where they are taking her and is told: In order to build a house for her in the land of Shinar, [Gen 10:10], and when it is ready, she will be deposited there in her proper place, (Zech 5:6-11).

The woman in the ephah pictures the religious leadership that sups at Pharaoh's table, (see post 100, here), the religious arm of Babylon the Great with whom the kings of the earth commit fornication and whose cup is full of the disgusting things and unclean things of her fornication. So that all those that inhabit the earth are made drunk with the wine of her fornication, , (Rev 17:2,5). Once her house is finished this woman will be deposited in her proper place. But at this time the world is still drunk with the wine of her fornication, and she has yet to be clearly identified.

But even so, not all is well in her ranks.

(RNS) — The World Council of Churches is under pressure to oust the Russian Orthodox Church from its ranks, with detractors arguing the church’s leader, Patriarch Kirill, invalidated its membership by backing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and involving the church in the global political machinations of Russian President Vladimir Putin Religion News Service

The chief concerns being raised pertain to the WCC in its relationship to all its member churches. Indications of the cross-denominational character of the crisis include:
  • continuing disengagement in the real agenda of the WCC on the part of many member churches -- this is testified, e.g., by the responses to the CUV process, which are widely inconsistent both qualitatively and quantitatively across the entire denominational spectrum of the churches
  • the perceived need for "radical restructuring" felt recently by several regional ecumenical organizations (e.g., Council of Churches of Britain and Ireland, Canadian Council of Churches), in order better to serve and represent a wider range of churches
  • the difficulties of other churches, perhaps most notably the Roman Catholic Church, with the "ecclesiological challenge" posed by the WCC
  • the difficulty experienced by many churches, including perhaps especially African churches in endorsing a WCC discussion on issues of human sexuality
  • new developments, both positive and negative, in the Evangelical world, as seen e.g. in the non-participation in the WCC of the Baptists in Russia
The acute need for change in the WCC's structure, life and self-conception which is currently receiving such vocal expression from the Orthodox churches needs to be considered in this broad perspective. The issues outlined above stem both from the life of the churches and from the life of the Council. Russian Orthodox Participation in the WCC

Even as it was in the time of Zedekiah, the last king of Judah, so it is today, Jehovah says: For the reason, you men have spoken untruth and are envisioning a lie, therefore I am against you ...And my hand has come against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining lies. In the intimate group of my people, they will not continue, and in the register of the house of Israel they will not be written, and to the soil, [adamah as at Dan 12:3], of Israel they will not come. And you people will have to know that I am the Lord Jehovah. For the reason, yes, for the reason, they have led my people astray, saying, "There is peace!" When there is no peace. And he is building a partition wall, but in vain there are those plastering it with whitewash, [cf. Ezek 22:28], (Ezek 13:8-10).

Jehovah tells Ezekiel: "Say to those plastering it with whitewash that it will fall. There will be a flooding downpour, and on you, [feminine plural, the Zerubabbel class], hail stones will fall. And a blast of wind storms will cause a splitting/breakthrough. And look, when the wall has fallen will it not be said to you, where is the coating with which you plastered it, (Ezek 13:11,12)?"

In his rage Jehovah says: "I will break down the wall to the earth, which you men have plastered with whitewash, and its foundations must be uncovered. And she, [the broken wall], will fall. And you must come to an end in the midst of her. And you shall have come to know that I am Jehovah, [that Iam the Come-to-be]. And I shall bring my rage to a finish upon the wall and those who plastered it ... the prophets of Israel that are prophesying concerning Jerusalem ... and envisioning peace for her, [Jerusalem] , when there is no peace," (Ezek 13:8-16; cf.1Thess 5:1-3)

The builders are now busy plastering over the cracks that threaten to split the wall apart, causing it to come crashing down to the earth, (see WCC Latest News). And the names of those stealing and those making false oaths in God's name are now being recorded on both sides of the flying scroll, (cf. Mt 5: 33-36). A separation work between those knowing Jehovah and those that don't is now taking place. The spirit that is in the stork-like wings of the two women. is lifting the ephah measure up in order to bring her to her proper place in the land of Shinar, (Rev 11:1,3,4; Zech 5:11

John is told to get up and measure the temple sanctuary of God and the altar, and those worshipping in it ... And I will cause my two witnesses, [the two sheaves of wheat] to prophesy ... these are the two lampstands that are standing before the God of the whole earth, (Rev 11:1,3,4; cf. Zech 4:12-14)

Zerubbabel has laid the foundation of this house and her hands will finish it, (Zech 4:9).

And I will cause a blast of wind storms to burst forth in my rage - a flooding downpour ... and hail stones for an extermination ... And I will bring my rage to its finish upon the wall and upon those plastering it with whitewash, (Ezk 13:14, 15).

...Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be likened to a foolish man, who built his house on sand. And the rain poured down, and floods came and the winds blew and struck against that house, and it caved in and its collapse was great, (Mt 7:26,25).

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#102 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

The Chosen part 7

The word of Jehovah concerning Israel, is ... "Here I am making Jerusalem a bowl causing reeling to all the peoples roundabout. And also against Judah he, [the masculine bowl Jerusalem], will come to be in the siege, even against Jerusalem [fem.], (Zech 12:2).

Two different Jerusalems are being spoken of here. One is Jehovah's feminine Jerusalem, the other being the masculine bowl, Jerusalem that lays siege to the feminine one.

And in that day he, [the bowl causing reeling], makes Jerusalem a weighty stone to all the peoples, (Zech 12:3).

What day is, that day?

Zechariah would have been aware of what Jeremiah had prophesied concerning Jerusalem. Jehovah had indicated that their 70 years of servitude to Babylon was only the beginning of Jerusalem's devastation. He had been told to take the cup of the wine of Jehovah's rage and make all the nations to whom he was being sent drink it, saying: And they must drink and shake back and forth and act like crazed men because of the sword that I am sending among them ... Namely Jerusalem and the cities of Judah and all her kings and princes, to make them a devastated place and an object of astonishment, something to whistle at ... just as at this day, (Jer 25:15,16,17,18).

When Jeremiah received this prophecy, Jerusalem was already serving the king of Babylon, (Jer 25:1,8,9,11; cf. Dan 1:1,2,3). Then, after naming Jerusalem, he names the other nation to whom Jehovah was sending him, (Jer 25:19-26). Jehovah then tells him that if any of them refuse to drink from the cup of his rage, he was to tell them: "Drink and get drunk and puke and fall so that you cannot get up because of the sword that I am sending among you. "You will drink without fail. For look! it is upon the city, upon which my name has been called, that I am starting off in bringing in calamity, and should you yourselves go free of punishment?"... "You will not go free of punishment, for there is a sword that I am calling against all the inhabitants of the earth", (Jer 25:27-29, 32,33).

The fulfilment of this prophecy, concerning the listed nations including Jerusalem, is now in the pipeline. And this is that day that Zechariah refers to, when Jehovah says: I am making Jerusalem a bowl causing reeling to all the peoplesround about, (Zech 12:2).

The Significance of Jerusalem as Israel's capital My wife and I were graduate students at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem when our daughter was born at nearby Hadassah Hospital. We were so proud, and we felt our kinship to the Land of Israel was nearly complete — until we went to the American Consulate in Jerusalem to get our daughter’s first U.S. Passport. The line designated for “country of birth” read “Jerusalem,” not “Israel.” When I inquired of a consulate official, I was told bluntly, “the U.S. does not recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel ... It has now taken 70 years for the U.S. to officially change that policy and finally recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital[/color].
What does US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital mean? Trump’s move will further destabilise an already volatile region. The powerful Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said the US was “plunging the region and the world into a fire with no end in sight”. Turkey hinted it might cut diplomatic ties with Israel if the plan goes ahead. Saudi Arabia – an important ally of the US in the region – believe the move damages Riyadh’s continuing efforts to rekindle a peace deal. The Arab countries that border Israel – Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria – have all condemned the move.

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This is the [masculine] bowl Jerusalem that is causing reeling to all the peoples roundabout. And it will be the one that lays siege to Jehovah's [feminine] Jerusalem.

Zechariah continues: And it must occur in that day that ...I shall make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all the peoples, and those lifting her [the fem. stone], will surely be cut to pieces, and against her [the burdensome fem. stone], all the nations of the earth shall surely be gathered, (Zech 12:3). At this stage it is unclear whether this refers to the bowl Jerusalem of Zech 12:2, or the headstone of Zech 4:6,7, the one Jehovah cuts from Zerubbabel's mountain ( cf. Dan 2:34,35). We'll have to wait and see.

Zechariah then skips over the details of the final war described at Jer 25:32,33, but concentrates on the effect that the masculine bowl Jerusalem will have on his people, true Jerusalem, (see 1st paragraph above). In an earlier vision, he had seen a man with a measuring rope in his hand that was going forth to measure Jerusalem, in order to see what her breadth amounts to, (Zech 2:1,2). And he was told that even though his people would be scattered in the direction of the four winds, they would be regathered to Zion: Make your escape, you who are dwelling with the daughter of Babylon, (Zech 2:6,7). Since at that time physical Babylon had already fallen, this call to make their escape from the daughter of Babylon refers to their escaping from the spiritual bondage of the teaching of the rabbis, even as Christendom is in bondage to the teaching of the leading lights of their respective religions. Evelyn Kaye, an Orthodox Jewess writes: We heard nothing of Christian suffering in defense of faith. We were kept in ignorance of the times when Christians and Jews and Muslims managed to live peaceably together. I absorbed the idea that as soon as Jesus had arrived and started Christianity, Jews were persecuted forever after.
In common parlance, those who adhere to “Judaeo-Christianity” and “Christian-Zionism” are suckers. There is no such notion among Jews or Zionists. The mere notion is anathema ... f-history/

Jehovah then tells the daughter of Zion: "Cry out loud and rejoice, O daughter of Zion, here I am coming and I will reside in the midst of you ... and many nations will certainly become joined to Jehovah in that day and they will actually become my people" ...And Jehovah will certainly take possession of Judah as his portion of holy ground, and he must yet again choose Jerusalem", (Zech 2:12, cf. Rev 14:6,7)

This is what is referred to when he says: In that day, [the day when all nations including Jerusalem have drunk the cup of Jehovah's rage as foretold at Jer 25:17-28,29 32,33,]. The sheiks/friends of Judah will have to say in their heart, 'The inhabitants of Jerusalem are a strength to me by Jehovah of armies their God.', [cf. Heb 12: 22,23; Rev 3:12; 21:2,10]. In that day I will make the sheiks of Judah like a firepot among the trees and like a fiery torch in a row of newly cut grain and they must devour on the right hand and on the left all the people round about; and Jerusalem must yet again be inhabited in her [own] place, in Jerusalem, (Zech 12:5-6 cf Mt 13:24,40,41 42; Rev 14:15).

And in that day there will come to be a well opened in the house of David for those dwelling in Jerusalem for sin and menstruation, [cf Isa 64:6], And it must occur in that day that I shall cut off the names of the idols from the earth and they will no more be remembered; and also the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness ... And it must occur in that day the prophets will become ashamed, each one for his vision ... and they will not wear an official garment of hair for the purpose of deceiving. And he will certainly say I am not a prophet. I am a man cultivating the soil [adamah] for adam acquired me from my youth on [cf. Gen 2:5] ... And one must say to him, 'What are the wounds between your hands?' And he will have to say, 'Those with which I was struck in the house of those loving me, (Zech 13:1-6; cf. Zech 4:9; 5:4).

Who were these lovers that wounded him? Using direct contrast Rev 14:4 gives us a clue.

The sheiks/friends of Judah and Jerusalem who rely on Jehovah for strength ,(Zech 12:5,6) are the ones that do not defile themselves with women in that they do not accumulate a phalanx of followers, but as individuals they keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes away to... and no falsehood is found in their mouths, (Rev 14:4,5). In contrast to them, these others, i.e.the leading lights of Orthodox Jewry and Zionist Christians, as well as many others have hordes of followers who abide by their every word, these are the ones intensely loving them. Jehovah says concerning these leading lights: "O sword awake against my shepherd, even against the able-bodied man my associate," ... Strike the shepherd and let those of the flock be scattered and I will certainly turn my hand back on those who are insignificant, [cf. Zec 4:10]. "For it must occur in all the earth ... that two parts in it will be cut off and expire, and as for the third part it will be left remaining in it, [cf.Rev 12:17] ... And I shall certainly bring the third part through the fire, and I shall refine them as in the refining of silver and examine it as in the examination of gold and it for its' part will call upon my name, and I, for my part will answer, I will say, 'It is my people, and it in turn will say, Jehovah is my God", (Zech 13:8,9).

In that day the righteous one will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father ...And I saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion and with him the hundred and forty four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads, (Mt 13:43; Rev 14:1).

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#103 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

The Chosen

Continued from Post 102 above, where I said:
Zechariah continues: And it must occur in that day that ...I shall make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all the peoples, and those lifting her [the fem. stone], will surely be cut to pieces, and against her [the burdensome fem. stone], all the nations of the earth shall surely be gathered, (Zech 12:3). At this stage, it is unclear whether this refers to the bowl Jerusalem of Zech 12:2, or the headstone of Zech 4:6,7, the one Jehovah cuts from Zerubbabel's mountain ( cf. Dan 2:34,35). We'll have to wait and see.
Yes, we will have to wait and see, but it may refer to The Zero Days cyberweapon that was conceived in the NSA, a national-level intelligence agency of the United States Department of Defense, under the authority of the Director of National Intelligence and the bowl Jerusalem and used in 2010. Like nuclear weapons, its destructive power is such, that it needs Presidential permission before being used, but unlike nuclear weapons, it is not controlled by any international treaties. Since then, the initial safeguards that would prevent its unauthorized use, have been removed and anyone with the know-how can launch an attack.

The documentary Zero Days, investigates the Stuxnet computer virus, widely believed to have been developed by the US and Israel, which famously targeted and damaged an Iranian nuclear facility in 2010. The documentary’s title refers to the way that the virus would attack facilities by exploiting zero-day vulnerabilities, flaws within software code that is undisclosed to the public and even unknown to their vendors. The film provides a glimpse into cyber warfare and the geopolitical dangers that belie it... While Stuxnet was intended to destroy nuclear centrifuges at Iran’s Natanz plant in a military operation known as Olympic Games, the self-replicating worm inadvertently spread beyond its initial target to other networks across the world. I recommend watching the complete documentary, here: Zero-Days. Below is a shorter version.

In the documentary, link above, you will see that in the operations room President Obama did voice his concern about unleashing his weapon, but the hawkish voices prevailed.

This brings us to the way humans govern themselves, the much-vaunted form called democracy as opposed to autocracy. Autocratic leadership has only one person that has the authority to make decisions and takes very little to no input from other groups. Democratic leadership allows everyone to participate in decision making. On the surface, the latter sounds like the better option, but the on-the-ground reality indicates they are much of a muchness. In each case, one person governs that nation. In democratic nations, this person is elected to rule by a majority vote and remains in power as long as they remain in favour with their constituents. In an autocracy, the party of the person also remains in power as long as their rule aligns with the will of the majority. The supporting majority in each case is the schoolyard gang with the most clout who employs whatever means necessary to remain the top dog. If human rights issues do the trick for them then that is used as a cover. If God is on our side, does the trick, then that is used as a cover. If the majority thinks they are different and special then that is used as a cover. Whatever appeals to constituents of a given country is used as a cover to retain power. But it is just a cover that must be maintained whatever the cost. Anyone who dares to lift up the lid and expose what is under the cover is inevitably stomped on and silenced. For example, Snowden, Assange, and the Burden of Truth . Edward Snowden and Julian Assange have had to pay big time for simply telling the truth.

Whether truth-tellers believe in God or not is not the issue here, as Snowden said in this TED 2014 video:
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It is the issue we should be concentrating on; the right thing to do, the kind of world we live in. Jesus had said: do not fear them; for there is nothing covered over that will not become uncovered, and secret that will not become known, (Mt 10:26).

The only difference between the two forms of governance appears to be that one is upfront and open about how it holds onto power, the other is covert and secretive, and exploits the reticence of the law-abiding majority to its full advantage, hoodwinking them with the notion that their nation is better than the other nation. Amongst this silent majority are those who are conscious of their spiritual paucity, those who mourn over the deplorable state of the world, those who are mild-tempered, those who are hungering and thirsting for righteousness' sake, those who are merciful, those who are peaceable, (Mt 5:3-10). These have no say in how their nation is governed, but it is from amongst these insignificant ones that Jehovah looks for those whom he chooses to be the stone that will strike Nebuchadnezzar's dream image on its feet, so that the entire edifice implodes, (Dan 2:34,35; cf. Zech 12:3).

Jesus says to these ones: Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and leap for joy, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted prophets prior to you . One might say that they don't do it for Jesus's sake. You are quite right, they may not mention Jesus and it is not known if they even believe in God, but they do what they do because they know it is the right thing to do. As Paul said: When people of the nations do by nature the things of the law... these ones demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, (Rom 2:14,15). It is the right thing to do...

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What are the hallmarks of those who are chosen?

Speaking about his death Jesus told his disciples he was going away to prepare a place for them. At that time they did not understand this and asked: "Lord, we do not know where you are going. How do we know the way. And Jesus's enigmatic answer was: "I am the way, and the truth and the life", (Jhn 14:2-6). What he means by this is that it will be necessary for them to tread the path he trod in order to find the way. John chapter fourteen deals with his imminent departure and future return. Although the Spirit of truth was with his disciples as long as he was with them, darkness descended after he left, (Jhn 14:16,17; cf. Jhn 1:5; 3:19;8:12;9:4,5). Prior to his return he sends a Spirit of truth to be with those who observed his commandments and it would teach them all things, (Jhn 14:15,16, 25,26). This Spirit of truth is an identifying mark of those who are chosen, as it remains with them forever, (Jhn 14:16).

In post 103 above I suggested that there will be those amongst the ones God chooses, who may not even believe in God, on the basis of what Paul said at Rom 2:14,15.

What Jesus taught in the first century was radically different from what they had been taught about God. But what he taught touched the hearts of some and through them produced much fruit that survives to this day, (Mt 13:3-7,8; Jhn 4:14). At that time everyone believed in God or gods greater than themselves. Today, the tide has turned and the dominant majority no longer believe in God, and expediency trumps truth in every sphere of activity including religion, which has been instrumental in causing people to disbelieve in a creator God. And yet even amongst unbelievers are those who have a Spirit of truth that compels them to speak the truth regardless of the cost. And in so doing they unwittingly tread the path Jesus trod because in their heart of hearts they know it is the right thing to do.

Zechariah chapter 11 deals with this and what is happening in the world today.
"Open your doors, O heart/Lebab that fire may devour among your cedars. Howl O juniper tree for the cedar has fallen; because the majestic ones themselves have been despoiled. Howl you massive trees of Bashan, [bashan, possibly from shame as at Hos 10:6], for the impenetrable forest has come down. Then in reference to this impenetrable forest of mighty trees, Jehovah says: Listen! To the howling of the shepherds, for their majesty has been despoiled. Hear! The roaring of the maned young lions, for the proud [thickets] alongside the Jordan, have been despoiled, (Zech 11:1-3).

This tells us that what follows concerns the proud shepherds who had until that time been like an impenetrable forest, with each one protecting their sphere of influence.

Jehovah tells the shepherds: 'Shepherd the flock meant for killing, the buyers of which proceed to kill them although they are not held guilty. And those who are selling them say: "May Jehovah be blessed, while I shall gain riches." And their own shepherds do not show compassion for them. "For I shall show compassion no more on the inhabitants of the earth ... 'So here I am causing mankind to find themselves, each one in the hand of his companion and in the hand of his king, and they will certainly crush to pieces the earth and I shall do no delivering out of their hand. (Zech 11:4-6).

This is the state of affairs in our world today, with whistleblowers, like those mentioned in post 103 above, being sold out persecuted and killed, ... in the hand of his companion or king. It is even as Jesus had said: Brother will deliver up brother for death and a father the child, and children will rise up against parents and will have them put to death ... there is nothing covered over that will not become uncovered ... many will be stumbled and will betray one another, (Mt 10:21,26; 24:10). Thus it was in the first century, thus it is in the time of the end for anyone who speaks truth, (Jhn 14:16,17).

Zech 11:7,8 And so Jehovah shepherds the flock meant for killing ... in your behalf, O afflicted ones . He takes two staffs, one called pleasantness and the other called ropes, [as measuring rope at Zech 2:1], and he shepherds the flock saying: And I cut off the three shepherds in one month as my soul gradually became impatient with them, and also their own soul felt a loathing toward me.

Who are these three shepherds? Jesus had said: The kingdom of the heavens is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three large measures of flour until the whole mass was fermented, (Mt13:33). The three measures of flour are Judaism, Christianity and Islam, whose shepherds work for the same master.

Zech 11:9, And Jehovah says: "I shall not keep shepherding you, [masc. pl. referring to the shepherds]. And in reference to the feminine flock/sheep, he says: The one that is dying let her die ... And the one that is being cut off, let her be cut off. And as for the ones remaining. let them devour one another, each one the flesh of her companion. Such is the state of affairs today, with the remaining ones warring amongst themselves and against each other.
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Zech 11:10,11 And Jehovah cut his staff pleasantness to pieces, to break up the covenant he concluded with all the peoples ... and in that day the afflicted ones of the flock, got to know that what Zechariah has written was the word of Jehovah, (cf, Zech 12:3; 13:1).

Zech 11:12 And Zechariah/RemembeJah said to them, [the masc. shepherds], 'If it is good in your eyes, give me my wages but if not refrain. And they proceeded to pay him his wages, thirty pieces of silver. And Jehovah told Zechariah to "Throw it to the pottering, the majestic value with which I have been valued from their standpoint. And Zechariah throws them into the house of Jehovah, for the pottering, ( Zech 11:13).

Jehovah then cuts in pieces his second staff the ropes ... in order to break the brotherhood between Yehudah/Judah and Israel , [cf. Gen 49:9,10 & Gen 32:27,28]. And tells Zechariah: Next take for yourself the implements of a foolish shepherd. For here I am letting a shepherd rise up in the earth. To the sheep being cut off he will give no attention, the young ones he will not seek, the broken ones he will not heal, and to the one stationing herself he will not supply food. But the flesh of the fat ones he will eat and their hoofs he shall tear to pieces. Woe to the worthless shepherd that is leaving the flock. A Sword will be upon his arm and upon his right eye. His own arm will without fail dry up, and his own right eye will without fail grow dim, (Zech 11:14,15,16,17),

This replacement shepherd is the religious phalanx of the eighth beast (Rev 17:11,12). The same one that in a spiritual sense is called Sodom and Egypt (Rev 11:8), and is today known as a conglomerate of the WEF, the UN, and the World Council of Churches. World Economic Forum and UN Sign Strategic Partnership Framework
The UN-Forum Partnership was signed in a meeting held at United Nations headquarters between UN Secretary-General António Guterres and World Economic Founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab to accelerate the implementation of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. The partnership identifies six areas of focus:
  • financing the 2030 Agenda, climate change, health, digital cooperation, gender equality and empowerment of women, education and skills
  • to strengthen and broaden their combined impact by building on existing and new collaborations
The full partnership framework can be found here. Check the link.

World Council of Churches
The UN offices in New York and Geneva are part of the WCC International Affairs, Peace & Human Security Team. In relation to the UN, WCC International Affairs, Peace & Human Security:
  • monitors UN processes and informs appropriate WCC staff
  • advises and assists in the formulation of WCC policies on international affairs and how they are to be represented at the UN
  • shares with the churches information and analysis on critical political issues, viewed in part through UN work and debates
  • arranges for and promotes research on selected problems of international justice, world order and peace, and uses the results to further ecumenical priorities in the UN
  • makes representations to governments in accordance with WCC policies
  • develops relationships with non-governmental organizations and provides contacts with the UN and related regional bodies
  • represents the WCC or provides for its representation before these international bodies
  • represents, facilitates and helps coordinate the representation of member churches, related international Christian organizations and non-member churches before such international bodies
These are the chief concerns of this final shepherd who replaces the three. This eighth beast is now fully formed and operational. To the sheep being cut off he gives no attention. He doesn't seek young ones to teach them about God and his requirements, (cf. Mt 5:43,44,45). And the broken ones he doesn't heal. And the one stationing herself he doesn't feed.
But he eats the flesh of the fat ones and their hoofs he tears to pieces, see

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#105 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Zerubbabel's House

In post 104 I quoted Zech 11:17 in connection with the eighth beast ... Woe to the worthless shepherd, who is leaving the flock. A sword will be upon his arm and upon his right eye. His own arm will without fail dry up. and his right eye will grow dim. This refers to the shepherd's power and vision, which is currently still in ascendancy but is beginning to fail.

Before moving on it is necessary to clear up a misconception that might exist concerning Zerubbabel. The Zerubbabel of Haggai's and Zecharia's prophetic writings is not the same as the Zerubbabel mentioned at 1Chron 3:19; Ezr 3:2 & Neh 12:1, who was a man that existed some sixty years later. Understanding the difference between the two is crucial to understanding Zecharia's and Haggiah's prophetic writings, where Zerubbabel is not a male but a feminine entity. Amongst Jews and as is the case amongst Muslims, children are given names reflecting the prophetic role they might play, i.e. Yehoshuah/Jesus, also named Immanuel at Mt1:23, cf. Isa7:14; 8:8,14,15.

Although hidden in modern bible translation the difference in gender between Zerubbabel of Zechariah and Haggai and the Zerubbabel of Ezra's day is clear in the Hebrew

So when Haggai says: In the second year of Darius the king, in the sixth month on the first day of the month the word of Jehovah occurred by means of Haggai the prophet, to Zerubbabel, [fem.], he is not directing his words to the Zerubbabel of Nehemiah's and Ezra's day, who had not yet been born. But like the prophecy concerning Cyrus, at Isa 44:28;45:1,2, his words concern a servant of Jehovah that would fulfil the prophecy in the distant future, long after the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem.

We know this from the context and the given detail as was the case with Isaiah's prophecy concerning Cyrus and the detail concerning the two-leafed doors that were broken into pieces (Isa 45:1), a detail overlooked by Belshazzar and ignored, else he would have taken additional precautions (cf Dan 5:1,5, 26-28; 9:1). And it was this detail that identified the Persian king who diverted the water of Babylon's canals and went in and conquered the city. So it is with the detail of Haggai and the prominence given to the time periods (Hag 1:1;2:1,10,18,20), which might at first glance be meaningless verbiage, but may yet be crucial to identifying the times we're living in.

Jehovah's people including Josiah's/Yehoshua's companions have been living in the heart of Babylon for centuries and their filthy garments must be cleaned before they are acceptable to Jehovah (cf Zech 3:3,4,8,9). For more on this, see post 95, here. What follows at Hag 1:2-6 concerns them.

Hag 1:2-6
'As regards the people, they have said: "'The time has not come, the time of the house of Jehovah, for it to be built. And Jehovah said: "Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your panelled houses, while this house is laid waste? And now this is what Jehovah of armies has said. 'Set your heart upon your ways. You have sown much seed, but there is a bringing of little in. There is eating, but it is not to satisfaction. There is a drinking, but not to the point of getting intoxicated. There is a putting on of clothes, but it is not to anyone's getting warm, and he that is hiring himself out, is earning wages into a bag full of holes . This is the condition of Jehovah's people before Babylon falls, before she is struck by the headstone Zerubbabel brings forth (Zech 4:7,9,10, cf Dan 2:34,35,43,44). And this is today's reality with people constantly chasing the almighty dollar, but there is never enough to make ends meet.

Hag 1:7,8,9
"Set your heart upon your ways," Jehovah of armies has said. And he then tells them to go up the mountain and get timber to build a house in which he could take pleasure in, for the reason that my house is waste. Whilst each of them being on the run in behalf of his own house, a reference to the three shepherds with whom Jehovah became impatient (Zech 11:8), each being concerned only for their own house, (cf Mt 13:33).

Hag 1:10,11
Therefore, over you, the heavens kept back their dew and the earth itself kept back its yield. And I kept calling for dryness on the earth ...upon what the ground would bring forth and upon earthling man ... and all the toil of their hands. This is the spiritual draught which is also foretold at Isa 65:12,13 ...I spoke but you did not listen ... "Look! My own servants will eat, but you yourselves will go hungry. Look! my own servants will rejoice but you yourselves will suffer shame

Hag 1:12-13,14
And Zerubbabel, [fem.], the son of Shealtiel, [AskOfGod], , and Yehoshua, [YhwhSaves], the son of Yehozadak the high priest, [YhwhIsRighteous] and all the people began to listen to the voice of Jehovah ... and to the words of Haggai the prophet knowing that Jehovah their God had sent him. It is then that Jehovah says: I am with you people... And Zerubbabel and the spirit of Joshua/Yehoshua/Jesus and the spirit of the remaining ones of the people begin to enter in to do the work in the house of Jehovah of armies their God , [cf. Rev 12:17; Isa 54:2,3].

Hag 2:1
It was in the seventh month on the twenty-first day of the month [of Darius's second year] that the word occurred by means of Haggai telling him to ask Zerubbabel and Joshua and the remaining ones of the people ... "Who is there among you that is remaining over, that saw this house in its former glory?" And how are you seeing it now? Is it not in comparison with that as nothing in your eyes?" This exchange confirms that this prophecy does not concern the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem. As in Darius's second year Jews were still in Babylon, and the temple was not rebuilt until the time of Nehemiah and Ezra, circa 460 BC. Therefore Haggai's prophecy applies to a feminine servant of Jehovah, Zerubbabel, and those who remain of Jehovah's people when he again rocks the heavens and earth, as he did in the time when he brought Nebuchadnezzar against all the land and its inhabitants and all the nations roundabout (Hag 2:20,21 & Jer 25:9).

Hag 2:4,5
Jehovah then admonishes Zerubbabel and the people of the earth to be strong, saying: For I am with you people, [Remember] the things I concluded with you people when you came forth from Egypt and when my spirit was standing among you. Do not be afraid."

Afraid of what?

Hag 2:6,7
"Yet once more - it is a little while - and I am rocking the heavens and earth and the sea and the dry ground and I will rock all the nations and the desirable things of the nations must come in, and I will fill this house with glory'. This refers to a second rocking (to confirm, check the interlinear, verse 6, here). That second rocking did not occur at the time of the building of the second temple in Jerusalem, it is still future.

Compare: "Do not be afraid, O my people ... for yet again [in addition to their captivity in Babylon], a little while - and the denunciation will have come to an end, (Isa 10:24,25) ... And it must occur in that day this load , [the Babylonian load], will depart from your shoulders, (Isa 10:27) ...Go you people enter into you inner rooms, and shut the doors behind you. Hide for but a moment until the denunciation passes over. For look, Jehovah is coming forth ... to call to account the error of the inhabitants of the earth ...and the earth will certainly expose her bloodshed and will no longer cover over her killed ones, (Isa 26:20,21). It is this that Jehovah refers to when he says: Do not be afraid

Although the man Zerubbabel was occupied with rebuilding the temple of Jehovah in Ezra's day, the feminine Zerubbabel still carried Babylon's baggage which caused them to alter God's word circa 450 BC, replacing the name Jehovah with Adonai, which in time became like a great mountain of alterations to God's word. This mountain would become level ground when the feminine Zerubbabel, plummet in hand, would bring forth a charming head stone and finish the house, (cf. Zech 4:6,7,8,9). This can not happen until the remaining ones of God's people go up the mountain and bring in timber to build a house in which Jehovah might take pleasure in, and in which he might be glorified, (.Hag 1:8).

Hag 2:7,8,9
... and all the desirable things of the nations must come in, and I will fill this house with glory ... the silver is mine, the gold is mine, [cf. Zech 13:9, Mal 3:2,3]. Greater will be the glory of this later house than that of the former ... And in this place I shall give peace.

The two dates mentioned thus far, are the 6th day of the 6th month and the 21st day of the 7th month, (Hag 1:1; 2:1). Now another date is mentioned.

Hag 2:10-14
On the twenty-fourth [day] of the ninth [month] in the second year of Darius, Jehovah tells Haggai to question the priests, asking whether if one that carries holy flesh, actually touches other things, would these things become holy? And the priests answer: "No!". He then asks, 'if someone who is unclean by a deceased soul touches any of these things, would they become unclean?' And the priests answer: they become unclean. Haggai then points out that that is how the people and the nations are, and how their work is from Jehovah's standpoint, and whatever they present is unclean. It is a spiritual uncleanness from which the remaining ones of God's people must first be cleansed before they can take part in the building of Jehovah's house.

Hag 2:15-19
But now, please set your heart [on this] from this day forward, before there was a placing of a stone upon a stone in the temple of Jehovah, from when[ the listed things happened. This is the first occurrence of the word temple in Haggai's prophecy ... and there was no one [turning] to me] ... "Set your heart, please, [on this], from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth [day] of the ninth [month], from the day the foundation of the temple of Jehovah must be laid. This is an imperative command, to confirm see Hag 2:18, here. Set your heart [on this]: Is there yet seed in the grain pit? And as yet the vine and the fig tree and the olive tree has not yet borne, has it? From this day I shall bestow a blessing.

Hag 2:20-23
And Jehovah's word occurs a second time to Haggai, on the twenty-fourth [day] of the month saying: "Say to Zerubbabel the governor of Judah, [Heb. Yehudah, thought to mean Jehovah praise], "I am rocking the heavens and the earth. And I shall certainly overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and annihilate the strength of the kingdoms and nations, overthrowing horses and riders and each one's sword will be against that of his brother. In that day is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, I shall take you O Zerubbabel ... my servant ... and I shall certainly set you as a seal ring because you are [ the one] whom I have chosen.

If the dates so prominently featured are a detail that corresponds to the bronze doors of Isa 45:1 which Cyrus broke to pieces at the time of Babylon's fall - a detail that was overlooked by Belshazzar - then let's not make the same mistake. Below is a snip of the jworg's online biblical calendar and where I have marked the dates that appear in Haggai's prophecy. Note he mentions the 24th day of the 9th of Chislev three times. First, at Hag 2:10 where Jehovah shows that what is clean/holy cannot make what is unclean holy and that anything that is touched by something unclean becomes unclean. Second, at Hag 2:18 it tells us that this is the day when the foundation of the temple of Jehovah must be laid - it is the first time the word temple is used in Haggai's prophecy. And the word of Jehovah occurred to Haggai a second time on that same day, (Hag 2:20) when Jehovah brings an end and sets Zerubbabel as a seal ring because she is the one he has chosen.

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#106 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Continued from post 105 above.

Sorting out kings of empires and the time of Cyrus's First Year, as at Ezra 1:1

In Haggai's prophecy concerning Jehovah's house, I posted the jworg's NWT online calendar to help understand the significance, if any, of the dates emphasized in his prophecy. Jehovah's word first occurred to him on the 1st day of the 6th month in Darius's second year. According to the WT Aid to Bible Understanding, a.k.a 'Aid book', Daniel completed his writing around 536 BCE. The sixty-two-year-old Median king Darius ruled in Babylon at that time, Dan 5:31. So who is Cyrus of Dan 10:1? And when Ezra writes in the first year of Cyrus, the king of Persia, (Ezra 1:1), is he writing about this same Cyrus or another one?

Let's see. Ezra persuades Cyrus that Jehovah had commissioned him to build a house for him in Jerusalem by showing him the words in Jeremiah, (Ezra 1:1,2). The problem is that there is nowhere in Jeremiah's prophecy that says Jehovah would commission Cyrus to build a house for him. So who was this Cyrus, and how did Ezra manage to persuade him by showing him Jeremiah's prophecy?

The Ahasuerus of Est. 1:1 that married Esther was king over a hundred and twenty-seven jurisdictional districts from Ethiopia to India, before the advent of Nebuchadnezzar. If one includes the areas ruled by Babylon, as shown in the map posted in post 91, one can see the extent of Ahasuerus's rule.

The Aid book says concerning Cyrus: The Early History of Cyrus (II) is somewhat obscure, depending on two 5th and 4th century Greek historians ... both writers present Cyrus as the son of the Persian ruler Cambyses, by his wife Mandane, the daughter of the king of the Medes. Cyrus (II) would logically have been preceded by Cyrus (I). And if Cyrus two was born to Cambyses's wife Mandane, a daughter of the king of the Medes, this daughter may well have been a daughter born to Esther and Ahasuerus, called Astyages by the Greek historians.

We know that at that time Persian kings had an alliance with Media, with the Median king dominating because it says that in the third year of Ahusuerus's reign, he held a banquet for all his princes and servants, the powers of Persia and Media and the princes of the jurisdictional districts. At that time he displayed all the riches of his glorious kingdom and the honour and beauty of his greatness to his constituent supporters and kings, (Est 1:1,2,3,4). If, as the Greek historians write, Cyrus (II) did stem from Ahasuerus the Mede and his wife Esther, then she and Mordecai, (Est 2:5-7; 4:14 b), would have made sure that any children borne of this union would have been aware of what was written at Isa 44:28;45:1. Hence the name Koresh/Cyrus (I) & Cyrus (II) was given to subsequent descendants of this union, each of them aware of why they were named Cyrus. Thus when Ezra showed Cyrus (II) what Jeremiah had written at Jer 25:8-12 it convinced him that he needed to commission the building of a house for Jehovah in Jerusalem, (Ezra 1:3).

The 62-year-old Darius, (Dan 5:30,31; 6:1; 9:1), was the last of the Median Kings to reign over the Medo/Persian empire. And after he died Cyrus (I) of Persia ruled supreme, Dan 10:1. After him came another ruler who was married to the Median, Mandane, who gave birth to Cyrus (II). He was most likely the one whom Ezra and Nehemiah approached some sixty years later. And it is most likely this Cyrus (II) was the one whose spirit Jehovah roused to build him a house in Jerusalem, (Ez 1:1,3,4; Neh 2:1,7,8).

Understood in this way it harmonizes and consolidates what is written in Esther, Daniel, Nehemiah and Ezra, and it confirms and explains why in the writings of Zechariah and Haggai, written at the time of Darius, the prophecies concern a feminine Zerubbabel that will finish the spiritual house of Jehovah, (see post 105 above).

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#107 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

The burden of the word of Jehovah

And their corpses will be on the broad way of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was also impaled, (Rev 11:8). The picture that springs to mind with Sodom is one of sodomy and debauchery, but what does Egypt bring to mind? Egypt occurs 614 times in the OT and 25 times in the NT, why?

What is it about Egypt that is such an anathema to Jehovah?

Isa 19:1
The burden [of] Egypt: Look! Jehovah is riding on a swift cloud and coming into Egypt, and have tottered valueless gods at his presence, and the heart in Egypt's midst melts, [heart - the inner man]. At Ex 23:5 it says concerning a burden: Should you see an ass of someone who hates you lying down under its burden, one might not be inclined to come to its aid, but surely you should help it.

Isa 19:2-5
And I have set Egyptian against Egyptian, they have fought, each one against his brother, each one against his companion, city against city, kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt must become bewilderment within her, and I am confusing her own counsel. They will have resorted to valueless gods, the charmers and to the spirit mediums and the professional foretellers of events . In modern terminology, they consult industry professionals and the sciences. And I will deliver up Egypt into the hand of a hard taskmaster and strong will be the king that rules over them .

That hard taskmaster comes courtesy of the Klaus Schwab, WEF, UN 2030 Sustainable Development team. And what comes next as recorded at Isa 19: 5-10 is yet to come. But in the meantime:

Egypt’s biggest military base on the Red Sea The spokesperson for the Egyptian presidency Bassam Rady explained that the strategic goal for establishing the base is to protect and secure the Egyptian southern coasts, protect economic investments and natural resources, and confront security challenges within the Red Sea.
Berenice Military Base
It is considered the largest naval base in the Middle East... It was established within the framework of the Egyptian armed forces’ comprehensive development and modernization strategy, to declare their readiness for all tasks entrusted to them in the southern strategic direction ... The base is located on the Red Sea coast near the southern international border, east of Aswan ...It covers an area of 150,000 acres ...The strategic goal behind establishing such a military base is to protect and secure the Egyptian southern coasts, economic investments, and natural resources, as well as face security challenges within the Red Sea and secure global navigation traffic, within the framework of Egypt’s future vision, (cf.Isa 11:15).

Isa 19:11,12,13
The princes of Zoan are indeed foolish. As regards the wise ones of the Pharaoh's councillors, their councils is indeed something unreasonable. How will one say to Pharaoh: "I am the son of wise ones, that son of kings of ancient/former times ...
The princes of Zoan and Noph have been deceived, and the key-men of Noph of having caused Egypt to stray about ... Jehovah himself has caused a perverse spirit within her that has caused her to go astray in all her work

Although the location of these cities is uncertain the sons of wise ones of kings of former times refers to this.

The ancient or former times as at Prov 8:22,23 refers to the world that existed prior to the flood of Noah's day. But that doesn't explain why Egypt has played such a prominent role in bible prophecy since then. What comes to mind when you hear 'Egypt mentioned? Perhaps the pyramids of a country located on the north-eastern part of the African continent. But this is not the picture that came to mind of those who spoke the language of Canaan, namely Abraham, (cf Gen 13:1). The Hebrew word for Egypt is מִצְרַיִם Mitsrayim, which Srong's tells us is the dual of matsowr; i.e. Upper and Lower Egypt - Egypt, Egyptians. If one clicks on Heb. 4692. matsor or matsur it says: siege enclosure, siege, entrenchment. But there were no siege enclosures or entrenchments in Egypt and it appears to be mainly a level low countryside close to sea level. So this definition does not fit. We need to dig deeper. Further down the left-hand column at Strong's Concordance, it says: see HEBREW, tsuwr, 6696. And this it what it says:
tsuwr: adversary
Original Word: צוּר
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: tsuwr
Phonetic Spelling: (tsoor)
Definition: to confine, bind, besiege

But Egypt is not a verb it's a noun. So let's look if we can find a scripture where the noun tsuwr occurs.

At 6697. tsur, it says:
tsur: rock, cliff
Original Word: צוּר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: Tsur
Phonetic Spelling: (tsoor)
Definition: rock, cliff

Note, that the exact same Hebrew word is both a noun and a verb. In English, we have the same, i.e. to walk, and the walk; and spoon and spoon. If we check the right-hand column in the biblehub site of the noun Tsur we see it occurs at De 32:4,15,17,18,31,37. Where Moses says concerning the deviant Levites of De 31:25,27,29 that they forsook the God who made him and despised the Rock of his salvation, [cf.De 32:4] ...They went sacrificing to siddim [fields as at Gen 17:1], gods whom they had not known, New ones that had recently come in, with whom your forefathers were not acquainted. ... The Rock who fathered you, you proceeded to forget ... For their rock is not our Rock... And he will certainly say: 'Where are their gods, the rock in whom they sought refuge.

So even though scholars are of the opinion that Mitsrayim is a dual noun, the same as eyes hands ears, consisting of lower and upper Egypt. Mistrayim is simply the plural of Tsur/Rock, with the inseparable preposition מֵ in front of it, to read Fromrocks. I couldn't find a verse that says from rocks to show you. But at Num 23:9 it says: from the top of rocks. See snip below, reading from right to left. To demonstrate, I have moved the preposition מֵ/from, to the front of rocks, to read fromrocks or Mitsrayim, which is rendered Egypt in bibles.
Thus Abraham went to a country called Fromrocks. Perhaps the name was related to the massive pyramids and other massive stone structures that had survived the flood.

But when Moses spoke of those who had replaced the true Rock, with rocks/gods whom their forefathers had not known, new ones that had recently come in. He was referring to the sons of God who had cohabited with women prior to the flood. These gods were worshipped in Egypt/Mitsrayim. And although the main perpetrators of Israel's rebellion, when they had made the golden calf, were killed, the mindset lingered on, and today is all-pervasive. So whenever the burden of Jehovah's word is against Egypt/Mistrayim, it is not against a country in the northeast of the African continent but is against the mindset that prevailed prior to the flood, when the Nephilim/giant bullies ruled with an iron fist. This mindset despises the Rock of our salvation; it is atheist. Its focus is on power, and it relies on industry gurus and the sciences to provide the means of their salvation - a fit description of the eighth and last beast that the harlot rides, namely the partnership framework of the UN, the Economic Forum and the World council of Churches.

Isa 11:3-9
And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jesse ... and there will be enjoyment by him in the fear of Jehovah. Isa 11:1-9 was fulfilled in the 1st century, when, for a while, the fierce animal-like tendencies in man were tamed.
Isa 11: 10,11,12
And it must occur in that day there will be a root of Jesse that will be standing up as a signal ... and Jehovah will again offer up his hand, a second time to acquire the remnant of his people who remain over from Assyria and from Egypt/Mitsrayim, etc.
... and he will certainly raise up a signal for the nations to gather in the dispersed ones of Israel and the scattered ones of Judah ... from the four extremities of the earth. The first time he offered up his hand was at the time of Israel's escape from Egypt/Mitsrayim, through the Red Sea.
Isa 11:15,16
And Jehovah will utterly destroy the tongue of the sea of Egypt/Mitsrayim ... and wave his hand at the river. ... And he must strike it in its seven torrents, and he will actually cause his people to walk in their sandals. And there must come to be a highway out of Assyria [cf. Gen 10:9,10,11], for the remnant of his people who remain over. Just at there came to be [one] for Israel in the day of their coming out of Mitsrayim/Egypt (Isa 11:11-16)

This has yet to be fulfilled. And from the installation of Egypt's biggest military base on the Red Sea, it looks like this will be the epicentre of the theatre of the coming war.

Isa 19:16-25
In that day Egypt/Mitsrayim will become like women, and will certainly tremble and be in dread because the hand of Jehovah is waving against it ... In that day there will be five cities in the land of Egypt/Mistrayim speaking the language of Canaan, [Hebrew], and swearing to Jehovah of Armies. The city of tearing down will one city be called. In that day. there will prove to be an altar to Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt/Mitsrayim and a pillar to Jehovah beside the boundary. And it must prove to be a sign and witness to Jehovah ... in the land of Egypt/Mitsrayim; for they will cry out to Jehovah because of the oppressor and he will send them a saviour, even a grand one, who will deliver them ... And Jehovah will certainly deal Egypt/Mitsrayim a blow. There will be a blow and a healing and they must return to Jehovah, and he must let himself be entreated by them and must heal them. In that day there will come to be a highway out of Assyria and Egypt/Mitsrayim ... they will certainly render sacred service, Egypt/Mitsrayim and Assyria. In that day Israel will come to be a third with Egypt/Mitsrayim and Assyria, namely a blessing in the midst of the earth ... Blessed be my people Egypt/Mitsrayim, the work of my hands, Assyria, and my inheritance Israel.

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#108 Post by AmosAU » 1 year ago

Hi CI,

I want to thank you for the effort you make to post the information that you are researching.
Due to other commitments and circumstances, I've not had the opportunity to properly digest what you have posted. I hope that others are taking the time to read your posts as I believe they are very timely.

While most people don't like to have their paradigms challenged, sometimes this is essential if we are to learn the truth about bible teachings. I very firmly believe we have been systematically lied to from the second century onward, beginning with some of the early church fathers and continuing until today. Most people just accept what they are told. The truth can be found, but only if we put effort into digging beneath the layers of falsehood!

Most don't realize that Protestantism is only a sect of Catholicism. This is why we need to do what you have been doing here. Keep up the good work.

Regards, Amos.

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#109 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

The Ten Horns of Mitsrayim

In posts 104 and 105 above I showed that biblical Egypt is Mitsrayim, which equates to the 8th and final Beast to rule the earth. The United Nations-World Economic Forum's Strategic Partnership Framework for the 2030 Agenda was signed at the United Nations, New York, on 13 June 2019. See the link in post 104 above.

Its predecessor the UN, with its security council and sanctions, (cf.Rev 13:14,15) had become a toothless tiger as sanctioned nations formed their own marketplace. And following the US example of 9/11, they did the same and ignored the veto vote. The United Nations Security Council veto power is the power of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council to veto any "substantive" resolution. They also happen to be the nuclear-weapon states under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, Wikipedia

Thus the need for a new beast, and the United Nations World Economic Forum Strategic Partnership Framework came to life, on the 13th of June, 2019.

In the bible it is described thus:
And the wild beast that was, but is not of Rev 17:8 refers to Israel after 70 CE. It is also itself an 8th king, but springs from the seven, (Rev 17:11). Championed by the US, Israel came out of the abyss in 1948. At that time the US wielded the same power as the UN ...And I saw another beast ascending out of the Earth ... and it exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight, [the UN beast cf. Rev 13:1,2]. And it makes the earth and those who dwell in it worship the first wild beast whose death-stroke got healed. [the slaughtered healed head, Israel, that was then a part of the UN beast, cf. Rev 13:3]. The US exercised the same authority as the UN after it had made fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind, [bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima], (Rev 13:11,12,13). The United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 August 1945, respectively. The two bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilians, and remain the only use of nuclear weapons in armed conflict. In the final year of World War II, Wikipedia

The 8th beast differs from the 7th in that all its members have an equal say, which in practice means that the majority vote on any resolution is implemented - the power to veto has been removed.

In the bible, it is described thus: ..."And the ten horns that you see are ten kings that have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast ... These have one thought, and so they give there power and authority to the wild beast, (Rev 17:12,13). From this, it appears that all those that become part of the United Nations-World Economic Forum's Strategic Partnership Framework have an agenda of their own. It says concerning them: And the ten horns/kings that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out ... their one thought by giving their power to the wild beast, (Rev 17: 16,17).

Why would secular kings hate the harlot?

And the woman whom you saw, [Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots of Rev 17:5,6], means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. What does that refer to? The only entity capable of controlling all the kings of the earth is the Bankster cartel that controls the purse strings. This woman/harlot has been in control for aeons, she started her reign in Egypt ...Now there was no bread in all the land because the famine was very severe and the land of Egypt and the land of Canaan became exhausted as a result of the famine. And Joseph went picking up all the money that was to be found ... In time the money of the land of Egypt and the land of Canaan was spent, and all the Egyptians began coming to Joseph, saying: "Give us bread! And Joseph said to them: "Hand over your livestock and I shall give you bread in exchange for your livestock." At the end of that year, they again started coming to Joseph saying: "We shall not hide it from my Lord, but the money and the stock of domestic animals have been spent ... Why should we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for bread, and we together with our land will become slaves of Pharaoh ... So Joseph bought all the land of the Egyptians for Pharaoh ... and the land came to be Pharaoh's, (Gen 47:13,14, 15,16,17,18,20). That was how the harlot began, and she now rides the 8th beast whose agenda includes owning all the land and all the people of the earth.

Immediately after signing the partnership framework of the 8th beast in 2019, more than 400 organisations signed the following letter demanding the end of the agreement and denouncing it, saying: ...The provisions of the strategic partnership effectively provide that corporate leaders will become ‘whisper advisors’ to the heads of UN system departments, using their private access to advocate market-based profit-making ‘solutions’ to global problems while undermining real solutions embedded in the public interest and transparent democratic procedures End the United Nations/World Economic Forum Partnership Agreement dated 25 September 2019.

Although Mitsrayim is rendered Egypt in Bible translations, it bears no relationship with the nation-state of Egypt today. Egypt had been an ally of the US since 1967, but the tables have turned. In 2012 Egypt had colour revolutions similar to those in Ukraine, as shown in the video below, but the final outcome does not appear to align itself with US foreign policy. Egypt US Relations In November 2012, Barack Obama—for the first time since Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel—declared that the United States does not consider Egypt's Islamist-led government an ally or an enemy. In another incident, General Martin Dempsey said that the U.S.-Egypt military ties will depend on Egypt's actions towards Israel

Who shapes US Foreign Policy?

About Rand Corp
RAND operates three federally funded research and development centers sponsored by the Department of Defense and one sponsored by the Department of Homeland Security. Learn More about RAND Federally Funded Research and Development Centers Contacts and Locations. The RAND Corporation is a global organization with offices throughout the world. This unelected corporation shapes US foreign policy, which successive elected presidents cannot change. That means that the US is in reality not a democratic state, but an autocracy. Rand Org. The Future of Warfare in 2030 Who will the United States fight against and who will fight with it? Where will these future conflicts be fought? What will future conflicts look like? How will they be fought?
Key Findings
  • The list of U.S. adversaries is likely to remain fixed, but the list of U.S. allies is likely to change
  • China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and terrorist groups will remain top U.S. adversaries
  • China's growing influence likely will alter the list of U.S. allies in Asia as countries hedge against Chinese power
  • In Europe, traditional U.S. allies' will and capacity to exert force, particularly overseas, will likely decline
Rand org. is not to be confused with Rand Cam in which the WT had a 52% holding in 2002.

When the Rand corp. says that the list of the U.S. allies in Europe will depend on their will and capacity to exert force, particularly overseas, it is talking about the current situation in Ukraine

This Oliver Stone documentary, Ukraine on Fire (2016), is spot on. It gives insight into how the harlot operates, and why the 10 horns of Mitsrayim - the 8th beast, hate the harlot and are intent on bringing her down. It is age-restricted so click watch on youtube.

I was in Moscow not long after communism collapsed and the conditions were the same as those depicted in the video. People were starving and begging in the streets to survive. It was heartbreaking.

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Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

#110 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Mariupol has fallen - And the Jack of all Trades who is a master of none,

Further to how the situation in Ukraine unfolded as shown in the video post 109, above, Putin's goal in Ukraine has been achieved. The RT story and video Mariupol residents reportedly used as human shields by Ukraine are not available for viewing. But check out the link anyway as the link shows how the harlot controls the news in her stronghold. Now compare it to this RT news site here: RT Speaks to British Prisoner Shaun Pinner – Captured by Russian Forces in Ukraine. One can see, from the three short RT video clips, that the harlot is also hard at work here, censoring what the prisoner says.

Finland and Sweden have now applied for NATO membership, see Sweden, Finland take 'historic' steps toward Nato membership ... Finland officially announced its intention to join Nato on Sunday as Sweden's ruling party said it backed membership, paving the way for a joint application. ...Less than three months after Russia invaded Ukraine, the announcements are a stunning reversal of the two Nordic countries' military non-alignment policies, dating back more than 75 years for Finland and two centuries for Sweden ...The turnaround by her party, which has opposed NATO membership since the birth of the alliance, secures a firm majority in Sweden's parliament in favour of joining ...
The issue has divided the Social Democrats, with some members expressing concern that the decision was being rushed through ... According to recent polls, the number of Finns who want to join the alliance has risen to more than three-quarters, almost triple the level seen before the war in Ukraine began on Feb.24... Support in Sweden has also risen dramatically, to around 50 per cent — with about 20 per cent against
... So these two countries have been sucked in, and may yet have their own colour revolutions, as described in Oliver Stone's - Ukraine on Fire, post 109 above.

Controlling the mass of humanity has been the concern of ... the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth, (Rev 17:18), which regardless of protestations to the contrary, doesn't care for the welfare of the people at all. This godless bankster cartel has been financing both sides of any conflict for centuries until their independent strength is exhausted. It then offers them loans to rebuild and in this way, they come under its thumb.

To achieve this it employs a phalanx of advisers, each of whom is a specialist, a master in their field. But the complete proverb says that 'A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.' This Jack understands far more than the master of one gives him credit for. He may not know what is written about him at Dan 12:2,4, that ... many would wake up from the dust of mankind/adamah, some to indefinitely lasting life and others to indefinitely lasting reproaches. And that many would rove about and knowledge would become abundant. He may even have participated in one of the many colour revolutions orchestrated by the harlot as discussed in Stone's video. But like any good Jack of all trades, he learns from his experience.

By now the harlot is becoming a little desperate, although she still says in her heart 'I sit a queen, I am no widow. and she still has lots of lovers/supporters, (Rev 18:7 cf. Dan 12:10), she must realize her reign is coming to an end, And like the one who gives her her power, she is pulling out all stops, and if it means starting a nuclear war, so be it ... On this account be glad you heavens and those dwelling in them, and woe to the earth and the sea because the devil has come down to you, knowing he has a short period of time, (Rev 12:12),

The Jack of all trades may yet end up being counted amongst the holy people mentioned at Dan 12:7. If not he will be amongst the numberless great crowd out of all nations tribes, peoples and tongues that washes its robes white in the blood of the Lamb. Like a good Jack of all trades, each of them continues to learn, changing the way they see the world and their place in it, (Rev 7:9,14,15,16,17). These ones will be fit custodians for the earth and fulfil the role for which we were created, namely to cultivate the earth and take care of it, (Gen 2:15).

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