Are Gay People Born Gay?

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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#41 Post by DeborahsTree » 2 years ago

Bruno wrote:
2 years ago


Hi Deborah :)

I found a little poem I think goes nicely with your post. Like with Jesus it comes with a price tag, but I think its free to use Galatians 3:13-15. Apollos will find out if he gets billed for me posting it :o

Christ paid the price to free us from the curse that the laws in Moses’ Teachings bring by becoming cursed instead of us. Scripture says, “Everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed.” 14 Christ paid the price so that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to all the people of the world through Jesus Christ and we would receive the promised Spirit through faith, Galatians 3:13-15

Anyone who calls themselves a Christian has the ultimate confession to make, for Christ did not come for the healthy but for those in need of medication.

https://skitguys.com/videos/confession- ... confession

Thanks for the link, Bruno.

When Jesus came the first time he did not fit into the expected mold of the Messiah. When he comes again it just might be that again he does not fit into the mold most Christians expect of him.

(Luke 18:9-14) . . .But he spoke this illustration also to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and who considered the rest as nothing: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and began to pray these things to himself, ‘O God, I thank you I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give the tenth of all things I acquire.’ 13 But the tax collector standing at a distance was not willing even to raise his eyes heavenward, but kept beating his breast, saying, ‘O God, be gracious to me a sinner.’ 14 I tell YOU, This man went down to his home proved more righteous than that man; because everyone that exalts himself will be humiliated, but he that humbles himself will be exalted.”



On a lighter note, let's talk "women" and their wicked and annoying ways: :clown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtvCe24gCv8

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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#42 Post by Bruno » 2 years ago

If found this video which I think highlights the dilemma gay Christians face in comparison to heterosexual Christians.


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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#43 Post by Bobcat » 2 years ago

On page 1 of this thread I mentioned BPA (from plastics) as a possible contributor to the rise of hompsexual tendencies. This article does not discuss those tendencies, but does discuss the proliferation of plastics in the environment and in humans.

Added here for reference purposes.


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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#44 Post by Hisclarkness » 2 years ago

Hi Bobcat!

I don’t think you can point to any modern or man made factor as a contribution to why people are gay. There have been LGBT people around throughout history since the beginning. It is well documented in almost all cultures. In fact, the idea of a gay person NOT being normal is, relatively speaking, actually a recent notion in the span of human history. Furthermore, science has well documented homosexual behavior throughout the animal kingdom in several different species. This would seem to dispel the notion that homosexuality is somehow a result of some default or sin that our first parents passed down to us.

Hi Erick!

You mentioned that reincarnation might contribute to a person being gay. You said that if a soul was previously female and then born into a male body that it would turn out gay. I just wanted to point out that this doesn’t make sense. Sexual orientation is completely different from gender identity. It would have made more sense if you said a previous female soul born into a male body was TRANSGENDER but that is something completely different from being gay or lesbian.

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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#45 Post by Bobcat » 2 years ago

Hi Hisclarkness,

I'm not certain of BPA, but there is some evidence of its ability to alter sexual behavior, for example, here. And it is present throughout the environment as the link in my last post showed. Perhaps more study will confirm or rule out the idea. But I wasn't trying to say that a chemical can account for such behavior throughout history. Only that it might possibly account for an increase in such behavior in recent times.

Here is another article. Not provided to prove anything. But only as an item of interest to the topic of this thread. And another. And yet another.

And here is an article showing that the idea is indeed controversial.

It could be that there are many different factors that are involved, either singly or in combination. Some involving personal choice (Rom 1:26-27), perhaps some otherwise.


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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#46 Post by Erick » 2 years ago

Hello Hisclarkness,
I would disagree. Some souls if they spend a long time as one sex and have an attraction for the opposite sex, when born as the other sex can continue to be attracted to the same sex as before. They may accept the sex of the body they are born in but still be attracted to the sex they were before.

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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#47 Post by lynchpin » 2 years ago

The law has altered where I live.

It's a change in the law that allows people to amend the gender on their birth certificate.

If a man says he 'feels' like a woman, the law will permit him to enter areas previously reserved for women/girls ie toilets, change rooms and to compete in sport events previously restricted to females. Similar social engineering agendas have wreaked havoc in other countries.

How comfortable will parents with young female children be with this situation (or anyone with their brain intact)?

If this took place under the law given to the Israelites (OT time period) let alone when Jesus came to earth. What would the result have been?

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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#48 Post by Samaritan Woman » 2 years ago

As of a 2012 Yale study, homosexual behavior has been documented in over 450 different animal species worldwide. This includes sexual and non sexual behavior.

My question is if it such an unnatural sin for some mammals ( humans) why not other mammals?

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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#49 Post by Daniel12 » 2 years ago

lynchpin
The law has altered where I live.

It's a change in the law that allows people to amend the gender on their birth certificate.

If a man says he 'feels' like a woman, the law will permit him to enter areas previously reserved for women/girls ie toilets, change rooms and to compete in sport events previously restricted to females. Similar social engineering agendas have wreaked havoc in other countries.

How comfortable will parents with young female children be with this situation (or anyone with their brain intact)?
This is a political move by the radical left that is trying to change the western values from Capitalism to Socialism. Their idea of Socialism being that all persons are equal and have a right to “Do” whatever they want without being infringe by anyone’s personal or religious belief. :twisted:

Right now there is a culture war in in Democratic Countries around the world. The European countries seem to be the first to be losing the war. Canada seems to be next, and the USA will know in 2020 if they choose the far left Democratic party to take the White house.

If the Democratic party takes the White house in 2020, it will have major implications for the USA since the far left wants to change the Amendments that spell out freedom of religion, freedom to bear arms, and other social freedoms spelled out in the Constitution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBftTf85rc&t

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Re: Are Gay People Born Gay?

#50 Post by Vox Ratio » 2 years ago

Hi Samaritan Woman,

I wasn't sure if you were just being rhetorical or whether you were inviting an answer, so I hope you won't mind if I address your question anyway.
Samaritan Woman wrote:
2 years ago
My question is if it such an unnatural sin for some mammals ( humans) why not other mammals?
This statement begs the question that human and non-human mammalian behaviour is of equal moral significance. Yet, I see no reason how such an assumption could be grounded within biological taxonomies. In fact, it seems to me that attempting to evaluate human moral behaviour by appealing to similar conduct in the animal kingdom gives rise to an offensive and disastrous ethic.

For example, while beneficial behaviours that involve reciprocity are found within the animal kingdom, a statistically significant proportion of mammals cannibalise their young, engage in brutalising rape, and assault other mammals for territorial gain. They steal, they conquer, and they establish violent hierarchies in order to continue to steal and conquer (and no, I'm not discussing religion or politics). These behaviours are not disputed and have the benefit of being more broadly attested than observations of animal conduct that is often interpreted as homosexual in nature.

Consequently, any appeal to homosexual activity amongst non-human mammals as being evidence for the approval or disapproval of such behaviour in humans results in there being no non-arbitrary, non-question begging reason for thinking that these other behaviours ought to be approved or disapproved as well. In short, it would be prejudicial to selectively preference certain types of mammalian behaviour as warrant for human comportment while dismissing others.

Any strict naturalistic account of ethics is going to be red in tooth and claw. Moreover, any claim that humans can improve or transcend such an ethic has to assume an objective moral framework that a naturalistic account of ethics cannot - even in principle - supply. As a result, the wider effects of animal behaviour might move to and fro over time, but it can never progress or improve, since to do so would require a standard that nature qua nature has no knowledge of.

As I see it, the difference between humans and non-human animals is not a difference in degree, but in kind. The capacity for rationality, spirituality, and ethics sets humans far apart from all other mammals – even those that are anatomically similar. For this reason, I find that God is the best explanation for human exceptionalism and therefore in understanding why humans have a universal awareness of the moral-self also.

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