Worship Jesus

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QuestionsFromReaders
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Re: Worship Jesus

#71 Post by QuestionsFromReaders » 1 week ago

Kerry:

I ask questions why is that a problem?

Would it matter if I stated outright my opinions, which would only be, opinions?

Is it not better to turn our hearts and minds to what Jesus' taught without the baggage I/We might add to it?

Why should I debate when I am not the Christ?

Am I my brother's teacher? leader?

If my answers are not to your satisfaction then what can I say?

goghtherefore
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Re: Worship Jesus

#72 Post by goghtherefore » 1 week ago

Hi Kerry

Regarding post #53 ... "Is it God's will that we worship and pray to the Son the same as the Father...? = Absolutely NOT."

Of key importance of your statement is..." ​worship and pray to the Son the same as the Father...? "

It seems every individual views meanings of the word worship differently. My view has changed from when I was of Watchtowerland mentality.

To honour/adore/worship Jesus as the son of God (and live for Him (...no longer live unto themselves, but unto him...)); brings honour and is (in part) worshipping the Father in spirit and in truth. John 4:24: "God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”


This scripture helps me appreciate the relationship with Jesus we must have to worship the Father in spirit and truth. We no longer live for ourselves but live for Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5: 15 "And he died for all, that they that live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who for their sakes died and rose again."
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Regards,

goghtherefore
“This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!”
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Re: Worship Jesus

#73 Post by Stranger » 1 week ago

goghtherefore wrote: 1 week ago To honour/adore/worship Jesus as the son of God (and live for Him (...no longer live unto themselves, but unto him...)); brings honour and is (in part) worshipping the Father in spirit and in truth. John 4:24: "God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”


This scripture helps me appreciate the relationship with Jesus we must have to worship the Father in spirit and truth. We no longer live for ourselves but live for Christ Jesus.
Nicely said Gogh,

Even Moses respected and admired the reproach of "Christ". (Heb 11:26-27) Interesting choice of words the author used wouldn't you say.


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Re: Worship Jesus

#74 Post by Get out of her » 1 week ago

Just wanted to extend a warm welcome to you QuestionsFromReaders.

There seems to be a recent and somewhat notable surge in subscribers to the website which I find very encouraging. I apologize to any and all new ones I have not gotten around to welcoming yet.

The timing of this surge is a bit unfortunate however since the website recently began to suffer from some technical difficulties that often make it hard if not impossible to post comments and questions. Ones like Apollos have been working hard to overcome the problems and hopefully they will soon be resolved. Meanwhile It would likely be a good idea for all of us to make this issue a matter of prayer since there is undoubtedly a tremendous degree of value and importance involved in discussions of spiritual and scriptural things. In fact we can be certain there is nothing that even comes close to its level of importance.

Agape love;
Sol

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Re: Worship Jesus

#75 Post by Get out of her » 5 days ago

Johnamos wrote:
7812. shachah
Definition: to bow down

4352. proskuneó
Definition: to do reverence to
Usage: I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship.

Reverence - deep respect for someone or something.

Venerate – a feeling of awe, respect; reverence

Adoration - the act of paying honor, as to a divine being; worship.

bow down - bend one's knee or body, or lower one's head;

just - Precisely; exactly

exactly - in every respect; just
Since shachah is actually a Hebrew word I would tend to assume you produced it and its definition in connection with the accounts you cited in the Old Testament. Actually worship is explicitly listed as among the possible definitions of shachah as well. However for the sake of this particular discussion we would definitely be much more concerned with the word proskuneo since not only is it a Greek word, but it happens to be found even more specifically in scriptures dealing with the level of honor we are to assign to Jesus.

When it comes to the Greek word proskuneo, ASIDE from scriptures that clearly cast a NEGATIVE light on the notion of applying ONE of its prospective meanings to Jesus, namely worship, here is what we actually find if we were to even simply perform a Google search on the definition of proskuneo:

The verb proskuneo seems to derive from 2 root words: pros (meaning "towards") and kuneo which is KISS.
In the Septuagint (LXX), the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, the verb proskuneo is used to translate VARIOUS Hebrew verbs, INCLUDING the words for "bow," "kiss," "serve" AND worship.

In my case at least I recognize this as a much better reflection of what we encounter also in the Strong's Concordance under this Greek word. However in THIS case we find the way things are worded provide an even much stronger indication that we would want to avoid any attempt to lump ALL the prospective meanings into one single definition, or even simply jump straight to the final option while completely ignoring all the others.

Once again I will refer to an earlier statement of mine in connection with all this:

…IN VIEW of scriptures like Matthew 4:10, would it not make much more sense to simply recognize that there are often SEVERAL definitions for various words which in fact happens to be the CASE with proskuneo, and that the specific CONTEXT we are considering would determine which definition we should choose? (1 Pe 2:17) Wouldn't a more careful consideration of these things make it clear that it would ultimately be the specific MOTIVES behind our actions that would draw the line between respectful obedience and actual worship?

As I have pointed out before, scriptures like Matthew 4:10 and Revelation 22:8, 9, 16 are merely among MANY that make it perfectly clear that to take a contrary position to this would be to insist that the Bible and by extension its author is full of contradictions. This is not even to mention the issue of potentially falling into idolatrous false worship. But if that is not already a serious enough problem or even danger, just how serious an issue might it become if we then carry things even much further by insisting on relentlessly pushing this position or understanding on OTHERS? In my case at least I would never want to face my maker at some point with that on my conscience.

Agape love;
Sol

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