Illusive wrote: ↑2 weeks ago
Kerry Huish wrote: ↑2 weeks ago
Illusive wrote: ↑2 weeks ago
I understand you may disagree, I am also certainly claiming that the idea originated from the Anabaptists, but there is an easy way to rebuke my claim. You can go and try to find a single 1st century Christian who wrote that there are multiple baptism as you suggested in your post. I do not believe you will find one, I say this because I have read their writings. But you should read them yourself and decide what you think.
If I was water baptised as a Protestant, then would I be accepted into the Catholic Church as a brother, even if I refused Catholic baptism?
Could I be water baptised as a Catholic and walk into the Mormon faith as a brother, even if I refused Mormon baptism?
Forgive me I cannot reply to your whole post now as I must go and do something.
But to answer this question while I can, since I am Roman Catholic...
The Roman Catholic Church accepts the baptism of most Protestants as valid as long as it is done in the trinitarian form, which is in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as Christ commanded we baptize.in Matthew 28:19.
So you would not have to refuse Catholic baptism, because Catholics hold that people are can still be honest Christians even if they are not Catholic. It does mean that where we disagree with protestants we say Catholics are right and Protestants are wrong. But being wrong about some things doesn't mean you are not Christian.
Baptism is a universal Christian teaching and it has always been the ancient teaching that water baptism is the same as the holy spirit baptism, they are not different things. I'd implore you to read the ancient Church Fathers on this.
Most Protestants have valid baptism and are Christians.
Orthodox Christians also have valid baptism and are Christians.
Baptism, as long as it is done the way Christ commanded, is valid.
Only someone who is in grave error would try to deny a valid baptism.
As this is why we see this so differently.
I reject the trinity teaching.
I see the trinity 'teaching' regarding the father, the son and the spirit as being a distortion of truth.
The teaching of the trinity came in AFTER the Apostles had died - it was something new. It was not
something that the Apostles or Jesus taught.
The warnings regarding this deviation were clear.
Matthew 13:24 He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds
in among the wheat and left.
Acts 20:29 I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness,
2 Timothy 4:3, 4 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth,
whereas they will be turned aside to false stories.
2 Peter 2:1 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.
Back to Baptisms...
If I was baptized as a trinitarian and later came to view the trinity as being false then I would need to abandon the course I was on, repent and embrace new truths.
I would view the trinitarian baptism that I received as being a lie, a counterfeit.
This door swings both ways.
If I was baptized as a non-trinitarian and later came to view the trinity as being true then I would need to abandon the course I was on, repent and embrace new truths.
I would view the non-trinitarian baptism that I received as being a lie, a counterfeit.
Hence, in a genuine honest search for truth a person may need to reevaluate and in some cases even start again...
Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”