The more unaddressed teachings of Jesus

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The more unaddressed teachings of Jesus

#1 Post by Get out of her » 1 month ago

The more we go over the four Gospel accounts over the years and carefully consider the teachings of Jesus that are covered in them during his 3 1/2 year ministry, particularly in view of what the Apostle John had to say in John at John 21:25 there are at least two or three things about them that should really begin to stand out as rather noteworthy to us. These are things which may have never even occurred to us before. Please take a moment to consider these thoughts or questions:

First of all try to imagine four different news correspondents or journalists (if you will) endeavoring to cover the very same event or story in a conscientious and comprehensive manner that would actually begin to do it justice. In this case we are obviously dealing with events and lectures or even simply statements that not only occurred over a time span of several years, but also ones that according to John ultimately amounted to a rather overwhelming volume of material in the end. Once again in view of what the Apostle John had to say at John 21:25 alone, we should already be helped to understand that what we are considering in the Gospel accounts represents a VERY condensed coverage of the ministry of Jesus. But let's get past the obvious here. In view of this information alone I'd have to insist that AMONG the things that should occur to us is something that indeed WILL by simply asking ourselves this question:

Why would it be the case that with all the material these Bible writers had to work with, all four of them (with the exception of John's account to some extent written around 98 CE) seemed determined to focus not only on just a very small portion of it, but also basically on the EXACT SAME portion? In fact if Jehovah's Holy Spirit were not involved in all this, wouldn't the fact that these gospel writings occurred over several decades while these writers at the same time would have had access to EARLIER ones (with the exception of Matthew who evidently wrote the first account around 41 CE) make this all the more remarkable? After all, as the years would unfold, why wouldn't these writers naturally be more concerned with events and teachings of Jesus that had not ALREADY been widely circulated among the populace?

Yes it should already be rather clear to us not only that a rather unusual set of circumstances was involved in all this, but also that JEHOVAH was intent on directing our attention CONTINUALLY and REPEATEDLY to the things about this ministry that HE knew we should be MOST focused on understanding and appreciating. Even more specifically, these would be teachings of his word that would apply much more particularly to the settings or prophetic time frames that are being ADDRESSED in the Gospel accounts! Yes the fact is that Jesus in his statements was ALWAYS referring to or even QUOTING from events and writings that had ALREADY occurred even long before he arrived on the earth! But what is more, at least generally speaking these references and quotes THEMSELVES happen to be from scriptural passages that were ALSO written in the VERY SAME setting that Jesus found himself in during the time of his ministry. What setting or context was this?

Once again this was one in which an act of spiritual adultery on the part of Jehovah's theocratically appointed shepherds had resulted in not only a "divorcing" of a now "APOSTATE nation" on the part of Jehovah, but also the birth of yet another figurative "DAUGHTER of his people." (Jer 3:8 8:11) (Isa 10:5) Due to what was now once again a plethora of FALSE shepherds that this broken "holy covenant" had "put in place" of Jehovah's Holy Spirit, this "daughter" was of course now experiencing a complete "breakdown." (Da 11:30-32) (1 Sa 16:14) (Eze 23:1-4) (Mt 3:7 9:36 15:9) In fact what was now once again a "great harlot" as opposed to Israel was as always facing complete destruction in the case of any and all who would refuse to "REPENT" over this spiritual "prostitution." (Isa 1:21 47:1-4 57:1-5) (Mt 3:1, 2 4:17)

Yes just as is in fact the case with the greater portion of the holy writings, the setting we are considering in the Gospel accounts is ENTIRELY in the one that ALWAYS requires another of the foretold "births of the barren woman" or what is also referred to as a "coming of the kingdom." (Jer 15:9) (1 Sa 2:5) (Mt 4:17) (Isa 54:1-4 66:7, 8) (Lu 22:28, 29) (Col 1:13) The Apostle Paul confirms that this is a setting in which the "apostasy" that Daniel speaks of prophetically in Daniel Chapter 11 and which Jesus himself points to in accounts like Matthew 24:15, 16 results in "A god sitting down in the temple of THE God…" or otherwise the extremely tragic turn of events that the Apostle John openly announced at 1 John 2:18 around the year 98 CE. (2 Th 2:1-4) (1 Cor 3:16, 17) (Da 11:30-32) Nevertheless to speak in terms of another foretold "coming of the kingdom" is essentially another way of saying—the coming of a new world power since ANY nation on the earth that represents the power and authority of Jehovah will of course ALWAYS soon manifest itself as such. As long as we continue to overlook things such as this just as we have long been programmed to, there is so much about these Gospel accounts ALONE we will fail to ever fully grasp or appreciate.

This brings me to ANOTHER thought or two that I would ask my dear brothers and sisters to ponder for a moment. Can any of us even truly say we have EVER experienced ANY of the teachings of Jesus being explained to us by ANY organized religion in ANY manner that can genuinely be recognized as supported with things like reference scriptures and sound reasoning on them? And if in fact we ever actually HAVE experienced this, then the question would be---then why do basically all of us continue to be plagued with questions and confusion on them? This despite the fact that these same religions seem increasingly intent on reminding us that Jesus in particular always taught in a way that was so simple and easy to understand, and therefore we should follow his example in this regard as well.

Yes it would seem that ALL of these religious leaders have overlooked not only the fact that they THEMSELVES cannot genuinely explain most if not ALL of Jesus' teachings, but also very clear statements by JESUS HIMSELF that his teachings were ANYTHING BUT easy to understand. He made it perfectly clear in fact that if Jehovah's Holy Spirit were not involved; even the "wise and intellectual" ones would CONTINUE recognizing at least MOST of them as "sacred secrets" or even "mysteries." This is of course assuming they would even recognize them as "sacred" to begin with rather than as mere "foolishness." (Mt 11:25-27 13:11 16:17) (1 Cor 1:18) (2 Th 2:7)

With these things in mind the purpose of this thread is to begin going over what I will refer to as the much less addressed teachings of Jesus. In case we have failed to notice, most people seem to focus primarily on what is covered under the "sign of the times" even if they also fail to truly explain these teachings or prophesies as well. Since I have already gone into relative depth on what is being conveyed to us in Jesus' "sermon on the mount" on at least one occasion over the years, my intention with this thread is to basically cover many of the ones that are seldom even touched on in any meaningful manner by ANYONE. The fact is however as we continue to genuinely consider these teachings IN LIGHT of things like reference scriptures and sound reasoning, I can assure everyone in advance that a much more accurate understanding of the "sign of the times" at least SHOULD become much more evident to them. Once again, ultimately it is all about Jehovah's Holy Spirit and the issue of whether or not we are being endowed with it by obeying all the divine commands pertaining to these post-apostasy/pre-kingdom time frames. (Mt 24:15, 16 25:27, 34-40) (2 Cor 6:17) (Re 18:2)

But do we FAIL to accept or appreciate that basically NONE of the teachings of Jesus are ever actually covered (at least in OUR lifetime) by so called "Bible teachers" in a genuine manner, or otherwise one that cannot be quickly overturned by simply considering reference scriptures that directly contradict the understanding that is being advocated to us? Throughout this entire thread will be demonstrating this as factual just as I have in fact been doing for several years already with Bible teachings in general. But by all means let's establish this statement of mine as truthful also with my first example here. This would be the words or teachings of Jesus found at Matthew 9:14, 15:

"Then John's disciples came to him and asked: "Why is it that we and the Pharisees practice fasting but your disciples do not fast?" At this Jesus said to them; "The friends of the bridegroom have no reason to mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, do they? But days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast." Compare (Mr 2:18-20) (Lu 5:33, 34)


Obviously we are considering yet another illustration here, and its meaning is so "simple" (as we seem to always be led to believe) that it REQUIRES no explanation; correct? So "simple" and obvious in fact that perhaps we have never personally even witnessed or experienced any attempt whatsoever on the part of a religious leader to explain it at all, let alone demonstrate this explanation as factual with reference scriptures and sound logic.

On the SURFACE at least it would appear that Jesus is speaking here about the fact that he would soon be facing torture and death at the hands of the "Jewish" religious leaders and the Roman soldiers. MOST people would naturally assume that this is exactly what Jesus was referring to on this occasion; but since when was the Bible written to "most people?" Perhaps we have once again overlooked the fact that Jesus himself made it clear his illustrations were in reality "sacred secrets" that even his own DISCIPLES would often struggle to comprehend! (Mt 13:10, 11 15:15, 16) Perhaps we have already forgotten that the ENTIRE WORD OF GOD is ultimately identified as "carefully concealed" or "hidden treasures" that even the "wise and intellectual ones" would generally not comprehend if Jehovah's Holy Spirit did not "reveal" it to them due to their continued "asking" and relentless "seeking." (Col 2:3) (Pr 2:4) (Mt 7:7, 8 11:25 16:17) Perhaps we CONTINUE to ignore Paul's words found at Romans 11:25, Isaiah's words found at Isaiah 42:19, or Daniels words found at Daniel 12:3, 4, 8, 9 that even Jehovah's true PROPHETS would suffer from a "dullness of sensibilities" in connection with Bible teachings at least in a relative sense until the Millennial Reign.

Nevertheless the fact that Jesus is NOT speaking about his upcoming violent death here in his reply to John's disciples can be established by considering Matthew 28:18-20 alone. Here Jesus informs his disciples that he would in fact "be with them all the way to the conclusion of the system of things" which on this particular "time" or foretold "birth of the barren woman" would prove to culminate with the events that occurred between the years of 70-74 CE. (Da 4:23, 32) (Jer 15:9) (1 Sa 2:5) So the obvious question now would be—what exactly WAS Jesus speaking of here in Matthew 9:14, 15?

By all means let us pick up this discussion with this question in my next post. Meanwhile if anyone would like to share a thought or two on it I would of course encourage them to do so.

Agape love;
Sol

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Re: The more unaddressed teachings of Jesus

#2 Post by Bobcat » 1 month ago

For any interested, below are some links to threads on this forum that discuss various aspects of the gospel accounts:

  • The Sign of Jonah. (Discussed in this thread.)


    On the question of when each gospel account was written, there are different views from the one expressed in the post above. See this thread for some discussion of that.

    On the question of fasting in Mt 9:14-15, the whole passage or pericope is Mt 9:14-17. It is also paralleled in Mr 2:18-22 & Luke 5:33-39.

    There are also numerous threads that discuss just one small aspect or one verse, too numerous to link to in one post. Whether they are authoritative or not is up to the reader to determine for him/her self. But there is plenty to look at.


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Re: The more unaddressed teachings of Jesus

#3 Post by Bobcat » 1 month ago

Below are additional gospel related links that may be useful for this thread:

  • Regarding Inaugurated Eschatology. (Links to discussions of this term. The term refers to the kingdom of God, a major theme of Jesus' ministry, and its 'now and yet later' fulfillment.)
  • The Last Days in the NT. (This includes references to Matthew's phrase, "conclusion of the system of things," and the 4th gospel's phrase, "the last day.")
  • Gentile Times ... Reconsidered. (A thread, with numerous links, discussing the Gentile Times in Luke 21:24 and its relationship with Dan 4. We've had a number of threads on this and many of them are linked to in this thread.)
  • Most Truly I Say .... (A thread on Jesus' use of this phrase throughout the synoptic gospels. The 4th gospel has the unique, "truly, truly I say ....")
  • Heaven or Heavens. (A thread discussing any possible difference between the singular and plural form of heaven, as in "kingdom of the heaven[s].)


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Re: The more unaddressed teachings of Jesus

#4 Post by Bobcat » 1 month ago

Yet more links to posts and threads addressing various aspects of the gospel accounts:

  • Why Satan Would Kill Jesus. (A thread discussing why Satan would end up killing Jesus, even though Jesus' death would lead to Satan's undoing. And see additional topics related to Satan here.)

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Re: The more unaddressed teachings of Jesus

#5 Post by Get out of her » 3 weeks ago

I apologize that I have been unable so far to submit further posts on this topic up until now but currently the difficulties or "outages" the website is experiencing continues to prohibit me from doing so on this particular thread. Hopefully the issues will soon be completely resolved.

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Re: The more unaddressed teachings of Jesus

#6 Post by Get out of her » 4 days ago

Scripturally establishing what is NOT meant by any particular statement of Jesus of course makes what is ACTUALLY being conveyed all the more viable to ALSO establish scripturally. What Jesus was actually speaking of here in Matthew 9:14, 15 in connection with the "bridegroom" being "taken away" from his bride at some point has everything to do with this figurative "thief in the night" spoken of in accounts like Matthew 24:43 that would in effect break into Jehovah's "house." Thieves of course do not do so unless it is with the intention of taking things away. (Joh 10:1, 7-14)

As we consider passages like this which are of course basically repeated verbatim in the accounts of Mark and Luke, we would do well to understand that if there is any mystery to exactly what is being stolen by this figurative "thief in the night, " it is cleared up right here in scriptures like Matthew 9:14, 15. In fact accounts such as found at Daniel 11:30-32 that Jesus pointed to when speaking prophetically of what would soon once again be found in INSTEAD of him in the "holy place" that he was restoring at that very moment as well as ones such as 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 are in fact confirmations as well as elaborations on this very same divine message. Moreover this information which is of INCALCULABLE importance for us to grasp and appreciate ESPECIALLY in these post-apostasy/pre-kingdom time frames is confirmed in OTHER ways throughout the scriptures, some of which I will be covering in this discussion.

Among the problems involved in this however is that we have all been well programmed to ALSO overlook the earthshaking implications involved in this, not to mention the fact that Jesus himself ultimately pointed to a total of THREE TIMES that his anointed brothers would find themselves IN NEED of "staying on the watch" for this figurative "thief." (Lu 12:38)

Rest assured it is no coincidence that along with prophetic parables or illustrations such a this "bridegroom" being "taken away" from his bride, we ALSO correspondingly find symbolic representations or prophetic DRAMAS in these same gospel accounts of Jesus "brothers" falling asleep in a setting in which they were commanded to "stay on the watch" for this theft along with the notion that failure to do so on their part would actually amount to a "disowning" of Jesus. In fact this failure would amount to exactly "THREE denials" on the part of the anointed ones. (Mt 26:38-47 69-75) This foretold phenomenon is actually repeated for us MANY times in the scriptures and in MANY different ways, and we would do very well to note that the number THREE is CONSISTENTLY attributed to this phenomenon AS WELL as the number seven. A good example would be the parable of Jesus in which the "kingdom of the heavens" is likened to "three large measures of flour" which ultimately experience a complete "leavening." (Mt 13:33)

At some point Jesus made it perfectly clear what was being conveyed symbolically by this "leaven," but are we beginning to better appreciate why the number THREE continues to be assigned to these symbolisms? (Mt 16:6) Regardless of whether these tragedies are represented symbolically as spiritual famines, drought, falls, sicknesses, nakedness and uncleanness, deaths, fastings, mournings, periods of sleep, darkness, bondage, custody, slavery, etc; or even "seven Sabbaths, both the number three as well as seven is consistently associated with them throughout the entire Bible. OF COURSE this should prompt the question in our minds as to why this is the case. (Ge 40:12, 19 41:22-24 42:17) (Ex 10:22) (1 Sa 30:12, 13) (2 Sa18:14 21:1 24:13) (Re 17:10) (1 Ki 18:1) (2 Ki 5:14 17:21:22) (Le 19:23 23:15 26:23, 24) (Es 4:16) (Isa 20:3) (Eze 21:14) (Da 4:23, 32 7:20 10:2, 3) (Mt 25:5, 35, 36 27:45, 46) (Jon 1:17) (Mt 12:39, 40)

Let's by all means endeavor to pick up the discussion with this question beginning with my next post.

Agape love;
Sol

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