Daniel 8:9...

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Daniel 8:9...

#1 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 weeks ago

Daniel 8:9 Out of one of them came another horn, a small one, and it grew very great toward the south and toward the east and toward the Decoration.

I do not believe that this is talking about ‘one of the 4 horns’ but rather ‘one of the 4 winds’ and directly implicates Rome which came from the west in relation to Jerusalem.

This is a separate horn, a fifth horn, spoken of in Daniel 8:9 as being ‘another horn’ in contrast with the aforementioned 4 conspicuous horns.

Daniel 8:8,9 Then the male goat [Alexander] exalted itself exceedingly, but as soon as it became mighty, the great horn was broken; then four conspicuous horns [4 Generals] came up instead of the one, toward the four winds of the heavens. [North, East, South & West] Out of one of them [one of the 4 winds] came another horn, [a fifth horn, not of the original 4] a small one, and it grew very great toward the south and toward the east and toward the Decoration.

Rome did indeed start small and grew very great towards the south and towards the east and towards the land of the decoration or Israel.
I am aware that many conclude that Daniel 8 is talking about Antiochus IV and his desecration of the temple and the rise of the Maccabees.
The parallel account in Daniel 11 says that there would be some among Gods own people who would be carried along in trying to make a vision come true: –

Daniel 11:14…“And the violent ones among your people will be carried along to try making a vision come true; but they will stumble.

I feel that the application of the vision to Antiochus and the Maccabees is but a mere mans attempt at trying to make a vision come true, the true fulfilment centers around the Christ.

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Here is how I currently see it…

Daniel 8:20-22 “The two-horned ram that you saw stands for the kings of Meʹdi·a and Persia. The hairy male goat stands for the king of Greece; and the great horn that was between its eyes stands for the first king. As for the horn that was broken, so that four stood up instead of it, there are four kingdoms from his nation that will stand up, but not with his power.

History testifies that Greece did in fact conquer Media-Persia in 331 BCE and that Alexander the Great died suddenly in 323 BCE with his kingdom being divided up amongst 4 of his generals: –

Daniel 8:8 Then the male goat exalted itself exceedingly, but as soon as it became mighty, the great horn was broken; then four conspicuous horns came up instead of the one, toward the four winds of the heavens.

These 4 generals battled each other until there was but a clear two remaining, a King who ruled over the lands North of Israel (Syria) and a King who ruled over the lands South of Israel (Egypt).
The King who ruled the lands North of Israel proved superior.

During the last days of these kings, another ruler emerged onto the scene and took control, this ruler was Rome.

Daniel 8:9-12 Out of one of them came another horn, a small one, and it grew very great toward the south and toward the east and toward the Decoration. It grew so great that it reached all the way to the army of the heavens, and it caused some of the army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it trampled them down. It exalted itself even against the Prince of the army, and from him the constant feature was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. And an army was given over, together with the constant feature, because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

The reasons for why I believe that this is talking about Rome is as follows.

Antiochus III (The King of the North) lost a decisive battle to Rome in 190 BCE (the battle of Magnesia) he had to give up everything in Greece, Asia Minor, and in areas west of the Taurus Mountains. Rome exacted a heavy fine and established its domination over the Syrian King of the North. After this, Antiochus III and the Seleucid dynasty became a ‘mere King in the North’ whereas Rome had transcended to being the actual King of the North.

Syria finally became a Roman province in 64 BCE. Rome conquered Israel – or the land of decoration – in 63 BCE and conquered Egypt or the South in 30 BCE.

Rome's exploits, from small beginnings, continue.

Daniel 8:10 It grew so great that it reached all the way to the army of the heavens, and it caused some of the army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it trampled them down.

This causing of some of the Army and some of the Stars to fall seems be a reference to the many sons of Israel that were killed when Herod was trying to exterminate the future King of Israel. The Herod’s were a dynasty that ruled over the Jews by appointment from Rome: –

Matthew 2:16-18 Then Herod, seeing that he had been outwitted by the astrologers, flew into a great rage, and he sent out and had all the boys in Bethʹle·hem and in all its districts killed, from two years of age and under, according to the time that he had carefully ascertained from the astrologers. Then was fulfilled what was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, who said: “A voice was heard in Raʹmah, weeping and much wailing. It was Rachel weeping for her children, and she was unwilling to take comfort, because they are no more.”

Yes, some of the Army (Israel) and even some of the Sons of Judah (Stars) were made to fall to the Earth because of Herod. But Jesus, the true Son of God, the true Prince of the Army initially escaped this slaughter: –

Matthew 2:13 After they had departed, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying: “Get up, take the young child and his mother and flee to Egypt, and stay there until I give you word, for Herod is about to search for the young child to kill him.” So Joseph got up and by night took along the young child and the child’s mother and went into Egypt. He stayed there until the death of Herod. This fulfilled what was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

Later, Rome would exalt over the Prince of the Army and be instrumental in his death and in removing the Constant Feature: –

Daniel 8:11 It exalted itself even against the Prince of the army, and from him the constant feature was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down.

This is also alluded to in Daniel 8:25, as is a bold statement that the King would not be broken or conquered by a human hand: –

Daniel 8:25 And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand.

Rome was never conquered by another nation.

Regarding Rome’s role in exalting itself even against the Prince of the Army, taking away the Constant Feature and throwing down the established place of his sanctuary, we must consider what sanctuary we are talking about.
When Jesus was on Earth and from the time he was anointed with Jehovah’s spirit in 29 CE his body was a temple or sanctuary: –

John 2:19-21 Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was talking about the temple of his body.

Jesus, the Prince of the Army and the true temple sanctuary, was executed or thrown down at the hands of Rome on Nisan 14 33 CE – this is indisputable.

Also, regarding the use of ‘cunning and deception’ mentioned in Dan 8:25: –

Daniel 8:25 And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand.

This parallels Daniel 11:21, 22: –

Daniel 11:21, 22 “He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty. He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue. Then an overwhelming army will be swept away before him; both it and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed.

This is talking about Tiberius Caesar, a man who was contemptible, under his hand the ‘Prince of the Covenant’ was broken – see history of how Tiberius came to be Caesar.

Tiberius gained control in a very clever way. Due to the circumstances, he was a forced choice as heir due to the deaths of Lucius and Gaius. He never received the kind of honor that Augustus had achieved.

The ruler prior to Tiberius was Augustus. It was Augustus that causes a census to occur, which resulted in Jesus being born in Bethlehem.

Daniel 11:20 “His successor will send out a tax collector to maintain the royal splendor. In a few years, however, he will be destroyed, yet not in anger or in battle.

Luke 2:1 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.

Did Augustus die a few years after this, not in anger or battle?

WIKI:-
Caesar Augustus (23 September 63 BC – 19 August AD 14)
On 19 August AD 14, Augustus died while visiting Nola where his father had died. Both Tacitus and Cassius Dio wrote that Livia was rumored to have brought about Augustus’s death by poisoning fresh figs.[211][212] This element features in many modern works of historical fiction pertaining to Augustus’s life, but some historians view it as likely to have been a salacious fabrication made by those who had favoured Postumus as heir, or other of Tiberius’s political enemies. Livia had long been the target of similar rumors of poisoning on the behalf of her son, most or all of which are unlikely to have been true.[213]

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A very interesting in an in depth analysis that uses linguistic, literary, and intertextual procedures regarding Daniel 8:9-14 can be found here: –

https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/dissertations/132/

This has further aided me in the conclusion that the small horn mentioned of Daniel 8 is indeed Rome.
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As for the foretold 2,300 evenings and morning that are mentioned later in Daniel 8, I believe these are years, 2300 years, as they are said to concern the distant future: -

Daniel 8:14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”
Daniel 8:26“The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.”

From the time Jesus died, there would be 2,300 years before the constant feature and sanctuary is restored.
This does not mean that the end would not come until after them.
The constant feature and its sanctuary is fully restored during the re-creation, meaning that the end must come well before 2333 CE.
There will come a point during the 1000 years when all the dead would have been resurrected and restored and everything else that is broken fixed and restored.
I believe 2333CE implicates the point of this complete restoration during the 1000 years.

Kind Regards

Kerry Huish
Revelation 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

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