Maths Virus 1914

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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#51 Post by Stranger » 2 months ago

Marina wrote:
2 months ago
Tadua has done a lot of work on this, so if you are interested in dates, you will enjoy his article.
Hi Marina,

I reckon Tadua is not teaming with Meleti anymore, now it seems he's doing his own thing. I can't say that I blame him, being one of "Meleti's machetes" one becomes dull again.



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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#52 Post by Proselytiser of Jah » 1 month ago

I'd like to add to this topic of the math of 1914 and how I came across this well put together and extremly simple & easy to understand article which debunks 1914 using WT's own literature, which actually disproves of 607BCE.

https://waytruthlife.xyz/jw/disproving-607/


It really does show how as your videos demonstrated Marina, how lengths of time have been manipulated and years taken in and inserted elsewhere from the void (but what made your videos even more impressive is that you debunked the false doctrine even if one starts from 607, now that's next level).
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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#53 Post by Marina » 1 month ago

Thank you for the link to the article.

I am working hard to get a new tool up that can incorporate that kind of info (ie dates). It is looking kind of cute at the moment - I can't show you anything yet though but am getting there. But oooh my little fingers hurt.

Yes it is next level debunking 1914 by starting at 607. But that's Jehovah for you. It is awesome how he has foiled WT - I like the fact that He's used the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar and 14 years after it to slam dunk them. If GB are wise they should confess and apologize now whatever the cost to them. (Luke 16:1-9)

When I look at how God has dealt with time in the Bible, such tiny details so full of meaning and unwavering accuracy - tiny brilliant functionality like the wing of a butterfly - yes using that stuff, he pops all time into the tiniest of boxes. And He hides the details and you must peer and persist, then you see it. And it is breathtaking in its accuracy, it is more awesome than when you look at the night sky and see the endless infinity of stars, it is beyond that because it is the heart-stopping accuracy that say 'I Almighty God have written these words.'

Those who do not fear God are much mistaken. For He is real and He is holy and He is true.
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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#54 Post by Bobcat » 1 month ago

Hi PoJ,

Thanks for the link. You have me wondering if the person who made the web page you linked to is the same person who posted most of the information I copied into this post.


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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#55 Post by johnamos2.0 » 1 month ago

by AmosAu3 » 9 months ago
I firmly believe the WTS have deliberately set out to mislead the membership, by various false teachings.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Ezekiel+13%3A1-16

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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#56 Post by johnamos2.0 » 1 month ago

Hi Marina,

I don't know if I missed in the video the 7 Scriptures and how they disprove 1914 or is it that you said you would show it in your next video?

For some reason it all went over my head (I guess that isn't hard to do being that I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer) but what is the relevance of the 4th year and 1st year? Doesn't the WTS change all the years by 20 years to fit their (false) teachings?

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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#57 Post by johnamos2.0 » 1 month ago

by Proselytiser of Jah » 3 days ago
I'd like to add to this topic of the math of 1914 and how I came across this well put together and extremly simple & easy to understand article which debunks 1914 using WT's own literature, which actually disproves of 607BCE.
Here is a very easy way to debunk the 70 years which by default debunks 1914/607.

[Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

[8-1-81 WT p. 27-28 – “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”]

[11-15-98 WT – We know that Jehovah is the Great Timekeeper, and we have confidence that he never fails to fulfill his purposes at his appointed time.]

Jehovah's appointed time to call Babylon to account was when 70 had been fulfilled. He called them to account in 539, therefore the 70 years must have been fulfilled by that year. So if 539 was the 70th year, then 609 was when they begun.

The 70 years were from 609 to 539 and not 607 to 537. If anybody claims that the 70 years were 607 to 537, then that would mean that 539 is the 68th year of those 70.

If Jehovah said he was going to call Babylon to account when 70 years had been fulfilled, but he did it in 539 the 68th year, then that would make him a liar or a not so good timekeeper. But never may that be, so its best to heed the following:

[12-1-00 WT– Whatever authority people may arrogate to themselves, you do not have to accept their conclusions if they contradict God, ignore his Word, and violate common sense. In the final analysis, the wise course is always to “let God be found true, though every man be found a liar.” —Romans 3:4.]

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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#58 Post by AmosAU » 1 month ago

johnamos2.0 wrote:
1 month ago
by AmosAu3 » 9 months ago
I firmly believe the WTS have deliberately set out to mislead the membership, by various false teachings.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Ezekiel+13%3A1-16
Do you mind stating the point of your link please?

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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#59 Post by Stranger » 1 month ago

AmosAU wrote:
1 month ago
Do you mind stating the point of your link please?

I was wondering the same thing Brother.



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Re: Maths Virus 1914

#60 Post by johnamos2.0 » 1 month ago

by AmosAU » 29 minutes ago
Do you mind stating the point of your link please?
I would think that the Scriptures would speak for themselves based on what I quoted you saying...but I will show you why I linked such.

You said:
I firmly believe the WTS have deliberately set out to mislead the membership, by various false teachings.
Well the following confirms that:

[Ezekiel 13 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 2 “Son of man, prophesy concerning the prophets of Israel who are prophesying,+ and you must say to those prophesying out of their own heart,+ ‘Hear the word of Jehovah.+ 3 This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Woe to the stupid+ prophets, who are walking after their own spirit,*+ when there is nothing that they have seen!+ 4 Like foxes in the devastated places are what your own prophets have become, O Israel.+ 5 YOU men will certainly not go up into the gaps,+ neither will YOU build up a stone wall+ in behalf of the house of Israel, in order to stand in the battle* in the day of Jehovah.”+ 6 “They have visioned what is untrue and a lying divination,+ those who are saying, ‘The utterance of Jehovah is,’ when Jehovah himself has not sent them, and they have waited to have a word come true.+ 7 Is it not an untrue vision that YOU men have visioned, and a lying divination that YOU have said, when saying, ‘The utterance of Jehovah is,’ when I myself have spoken nothing?”’+ 8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “‘For the reason that YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU,’+ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.” 9 And my hand has come to be against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining a lie.+ In the intimate+ group of my people they will not continue on, and in the register* of the house of Israel they will not be written,+ and to the soil of Israel they will not come;+ and YOU people* will have to know that I am the Sovereign Lord Jehovah,+ 10 for the reason, yes, for the reason that they have led my people astray, saying, “There is peace!” when there is no peace,+ and there is one that is building a partition wall, but in vain+ there are those plastering it with whitewash.’+ 11 “Say to those plastering with whitewash that it will fall. A flooding downpour will certainly occur, and YOU, O hailstones, will fall,* and a blast* of windstorms itself will cause a splitting.+ 12 And, look! the wall must fall. Will it not be said to YOU men, ‘Where is the coating* with which YOU did the plastering?’+ 13 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘I will also cause a blast of windstorms to burst forth in my rage, and in my anger there will occur a flooding downpour, and in rage there will be hailstones for an extermination.+ 14 And I will tear down the wall that YOU men have plastered with whitewash and bring it into contact with the earth, and its foundation must be exposed.+ And she* will certainly fall, and YOU must come to an end in the midst of her; and YOU will have to know that I am Jehovah.’+15 “‘And I will bring my rage to its finish upon the wall and upon those plastering it with whitewash, and I shall say to YOU men: “The wall is no more, and those plastering it are no more,+ 16 the prophets of Israel that are prophesying to Jerusalem and that are visioning for her a vision of peace,+ when there is no peace,”’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.+]

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