Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings

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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings - Jn 1:1

#101 Post by Bobcat » 3 weeks ago

Hi Stranger,

Some, but not everyone, take the articular versus anarthrous construction of Jn 1:1 to indicate that the two phrases, "... and the Word was with [the] God, and the Word was God," that it indicates that the second phrase ("and the Word was God") is qualitative, that is, describing what the Word was, rather than who he was.

This can be seen in how some translations render it: "... and the Word was divine" (Goodspeed, Moffatt), "what God was the Word was" (NEB).

The NWT ("and the Word was a god") takes that viewpoint.

I would suggest that the literary structure of both Jn 1:1-2 (which can be seen here), and the entire prologue (Jn 1:1-18) (which can be seen here) would suggest that the last phrase of Jn 1:1 is qualitative. In the prologue literary structure, Jn 1:1 is paired with Jn 1:18 which has the "only begotten God" explaining about the God that no one has ever seen. Also, Jn 1:1 has the Word with God; Jn 1:18 has the only begotten God "in the bosom position with God," or "leans upon the Father's breast." (Compare how Jn 1:18 reads in the translations linked to above.)

On the other hand, Jn 1:1 would also indicate that Jesus is not merely another angel. "A god" could be taken to mean 'one of a class,' like 'a car' or 'a ship.' But the prologue of John is describing a unique individual. I think this is where many take issue with the NWT when they sense Jesus is being relegated to the status of just another angel.

Nevertheless, it is a highly charged subject in many circles. Many translations take it as saying who the Word was. But then one is left with the problem of the Word being with God, and being God at the same time. Somewhat of a paradox.


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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings - Lu 2:1-2

#102 Post by Bobcat » 3 weeks ago

Regarding Luke 2:1-2 and Quirinius and the Census referred to: Here.


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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings - Rom 5:12

#103 Post by Bobcat » 2 weeks ago

An interesting post on Reddit AcademicBiblical regarding Rom 5:12 and the idea of original sin: Here.

It also discusses possible variations in the way Rom 5:12 could be translated.


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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings - Gen 19:26

#104 Post by Bobcat » 2 weeks ago

A thread on Gen 19:26 and Lot's wife becoming a pillar of salt: Here.


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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings - 1Tim 2:14

#105 Post by Bobcat » 2 weeks ago

A rather lengthy thread on 1Ti 2:14 and Adam's not being deceived: Here.


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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings - Jn 1:45-46

#106 Post by Bobcat » 2 weeks ago

In Jn 1:45-46; 7:50-52 exception is taken regarding Jesus coming from Galilee, and specifically, from Nazareth. But see this post and the included link.


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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings - Gen 3:4

#107 Post by Bobcat » 1 week ago

An interesting thread on Reddit AcademicBiblical regarding the way Gen 3:4 is phrased in the Hebrew text: Here.


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Re: Curious & Difficult Bible Sayings

#108 Post by Bobcat » 1 week ago

A thread involving 2Ki 23:29 (here). The verse reads differently in 2Ki 23:29 KJV.

See also posts # 25 - 29 in this thread for additional discussion.


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