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Re: Revelation

#121 Post by AmosAu3 » 1 year ago

Hi CI,

Yes, it's the May 14 event on world education that's been postponed to October 15.

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Re: Revelation

#122 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Continuing on from Revelation Part 8 the Little Scroll Part 1 post 13 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5354&start=10

Revelation Part 8
The Little Scroll. Part 2 of the Sacred Secret
The beast that ascends out of that abyss

In between post 13 and this post, there has been a bit of to and froing about things that needed to be thrashed out – but some of these posts also contain information and queries that will help to unravel the sacred secret

Part 2 of the little scroll deals with events still future and since at Rev 1:3, the reader is told … happy is he one who reads and those who hear with understanding the words of this prophecy and who observe the things written in it, for the appointed time is near... What follows is all that can be understood at this time, details can be filled in later as they occur.

With regard to the two witnesses prophesying in sackcloth
Rev 11:7 …And when they have finished their witnessing, the beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer and kill them...Since it is not clear when the two witnesses start prophesying in sackcloth the time when they finish is also unknown at this stage.

In order to understand a secret that has been sealed for millennia (Dan 8:26; 12:13) one needs to do more than just read Revelation. John wrote down visions one after another and recorded what he heard and saw in sequence, but it is a record, similar to a movie script, of the vision he watched one after another. And even as in a mystery movie, elements of one scene also occur in subsequent scenes and one does not understand the mystery until the end, so it is with Revelation.

To make it easier to follow for those who have the entire script, the Bible, I will give an explanation of each significant detail when it occurs.

Rev 11:7 the beast that ascends our of the abyss

Abyss in the OT is watery deep/deeps and as in De 33:13; Ps 78:15 it can be a blessing; it also can refer to above-ground bodies of water, sea or lake Ps 104: 6,9. Interestingly with regard to it being a lake, the demons begged Jesus not to send them into the abyss but asked him to be allowed to enter into a herd of swine. And on entering the swine, the herd panicked and ran over a cliff and drowned in a lake Lu 8:31. Thus the demons were sent into the abyss anyway. There is a lesson in this depending on how one looks at it.

Abyss is also figuratively referred to as a place of inactivity and confinement of the dead. Jesus was also in the abyss. Rom 10:6,7 …who will ascent to heaven? That is to bring Christ down … Or who will descend to the abyss? That is to bring Christ up...
The abyss also has gates ...on this rock I will build my congregation and the gates of Hades will not overpower it ... Mt 16:18
Mt 7:18 ...go in through the narrow gate, because broad and spacious is the gate leading to destruction. The same destruction Abaddon as at Rev 9:11 https://biblehub.com/greek/3.htm apoleia https://biblehub.com/greek/684.htm
The gate has keys over which the son of man exercises authority Rev 1:13, 17, 18… and I have the keys of death and of Hades At Rev 9:1,11 the keys are given to the king of the abyss and the key of the pit of the abyss was given him The abyss is also the place of Satan's 1,000 year confinement Rev 20:1,2.

What can be discerned from the above is that the abyss, with its gate of hades and death, pictures a place of inactivity, the first death… and death and hades were hurled into the lake of fire the lake of fire is different from the watery deep/abyss, it pictures the second death... Rev 20:14

Rev 11:7 the beast that ascends our of the abyss

Thus this beast has at some point in the past died or had been killed and then been raised up from the abyss.
At Rev 13:1,3 it is pictured as one the seven heads of a larger beast … and one of its heads having been slain to death and its death-stroke was healed...Note: this slaughtered healed, resurrected head is also referred as a beast in its own right in his own right - by reason of one's own ability or ownership.
The lamb-like beast makes the earth and those who dwell on it worship the first wild beast whose death-stroke was healed … while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image of the beast that had the sword stroke and yet revived... Rev 13:11,12,14. So separated from the 7 headed beast, this slaughtered head that had been in the abyss and was then raised is also referred to as a beast in its own right. An important point that needs to be remembered in order to unravel the sacred secret.

This resurrected beast is the one all the world admires saying: ... who is like the beast who can do battle with it and a mouth speaking great things was given it, and authority to act forty-two months was given it. And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God and to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. And it was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and was given authority over every tribe people and tongue and those who dwell on the earth will worship it...Rev 13:5-8

This then is the same beast that rises from the abyss and makes war with the two prophets for forty-two months and finally conquers and kills them Rev 11: 2,7. This same beast is also a close associate of the mother of the harlots, Babylon the Great, where in the first century it is pictured as the beast that has been killed and is about to ascend out of the abyss Rev 17:8, and a prophetic utterance in the same chapter refers to its end Rev 17:11,12,13,16,17. But more on that later.

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Re: Revelation

#123 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Revelation Part 8
The Little Scroll. Part 3 of the Sacred Secret

and their corpses will be in the broadway of the great city, which in a spiritual sense is called Sodom and Egypt where their Lord was also impaled... Rev 11:8

It is important to remember that the underlined words above are symbolic which means that the meaning must be unpacked as was the case when the Jews brought Jesus to Pilate, who said: ... take him yourselves and judge him according to your Law they replied “It is not lawful for us to kill anyone (Jhn 18:31). Which strictly speaking was not true. Killing by stoning was a requirement under specific circumstances (Lev 24:11,14; Jhn 8:3.5. De 22:22-24) but there was no death penalty for someone making themselves a Messiah or King, of which they had accused and convicted him. The writer of the words at Jhn 18:31 had thought they had said this in order that the word of Jesus might be fulfilled when he said to signify what sort of death he was destined to die, which was a conclusion the writer had drawn after the event (Jhn 12:32,33; 18:32; ). This is something that is good to keep in mind because some of what I write here is ahead of events and any conclusions I may draw may yet prove to be wrong. But what one can do is understand the underlined terms on the basis of what has gone before. Once one understands that one is in a position to align it with events as they occur (Rev 1:1).

So why is the word ptoma – carcasses/corpses used here instead of bodies. Jesus had said …"Wherever the carcass it there the vultures will be gathered together... Mt 24:28. A nearly two-thousand-year-old corpse hanging on a stake/cross is looked up to and worshipped by Christendom. In the time of the end, these vultures represent false anointed ones and false prophets, the ones saying here is the Christ or there. These are the ones that will kill the two prophetic witnesses and their corpses/carcasses will be on display and seen by those who killed them (Rev 1:7 cf Jhn 18:37, 38, 40). For a more in-depth discussion on 'body' versus 'corpse/carcass', see post #10 &#13 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5385 Jesus's body was despised and viewed as a carcass by those that killed him. The Same is true for the bodies of the two witnesses (Rev 11:8), thus the use of the term ptoma/corpse. carcass rather than soma/body.

...and their corpses will be on the broadway of the great city... Rev 11:8 this refers to the broadway of a rebuilt Jerusalem
...and you should know and have insight from the going forth of the word to rebuild Jerusalem until the Messiah, the leader there will be seven weeks also sixty-two weeks and she will return and actually be rebuilt with a broadway... but in the straights of times... after sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off with nothing for himself ... Dan 9:25,26 With nothing for himself refers to when the two symbolic witnesses, the last ones of those he purchased from the earth, are killed (Rev 5:9,10) The exact date when the word was given to 'rebuild Jerusalem' is unknown but it would have been sometime between 1948 and 1968 http://www.rova-yehudi.org.il/sites/batei-mahse/ But because of the misapplication of Daniel chapter 9 to 1st-century events, and in view what has happened since it needs to be re-examined in a thread dedicated to the subject.

The corpses of the two witnesses will be on display in the broadway of the great city which is in a spiritual sense is called Sodom and Egypt where their Lord was also impaled ... Rev 11:8

To understand what Sodom and Egypt symbolize one must look at the basic motivational force that governed the mindset of people in these two disparate locations, and then see if it was also present among 1st century Jews of Jerusalem. This underlying character trait originated in the Garden of Eden. The serpent had told Adam and Eve ...you are bound to be like God. What he meant by that was you will be in charge, giving birth to an ethos of might is right - it is the right of the strong to do dominate the weak. God had foretold that this would be the case when he said to Eve: ...you craving will be for your husband … and he will dominate you... Gen 3:4,16. This domination and subjugation came to be evident on all levels of human interaction. Captives of war became slaves and slaves were bought and sold. And this was turned into statecraft in Egypt Gen 47:13,14, 15, 16, 17 When all the wealth of all the peoples filled Pharaoh’s coffers, starving people came to Joseph saying: ...Why should we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land, and we together with our land will become slaves to Pharaoh... As for the people he removed them into cities from one end of Egypt to the other. Only the land of the priests he did not buy because the rations of the priests were from Pharaoh and they did not sell their land... The priestly class were being fed by Pharaoh and didn't need to sell their land to survive ... And Joseph gave seed to the people saying … I have bought your land... here is seed for you and you must sow the land with it... when it has resulted in produce then you must give one fifth to Pharaoh...Gen 47:18

The land was originally God-given. As people worked a patch of it and made it produce they rightfully claimed ownership of that patch of improved productive land, which then came to be a saleable commodity. After the famine, Pharaoh came to own all the land other than that of the priests, and all the people in effect worked for Pharaoh for having the privilege of making a living off this land. Goshen, where Israel had settled, belonged to Pharaoh and it was on this basis that a later Pharaoh enslaved Israelin lieu of taxes owed (cf Ex 1:10 )

A payment in lieu of taxes (usually abbreviated as PILOT, or sometimes as PILT) is a payment made to compensate a government for some or all of the property tax revenue lost due to tax-exempt ownership or use of real property.

As can be seen in the above quote, this is still practised today and people rarely question it. Ahead is a one-world government over the earth, with a political ruling class supported by a priestly class, who will enact laws making the state the outright owner of all property.

The corpses of the two witnesses will be on display in the broadway of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt where their Lord was also impaled ... Rev 11:8

The practice of sodomy for which Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed (Gen 19:4,5) was a way of life in ancient Greece.
The most widespread and socially significant form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys, known as pederasty (marriages in Ancient Greece between men and women were also age-structured, with men in their thirties commonly taking wives in their early teens)...
...These men, like their earlier counterparts, played an educational and instructive role in the lives of their young companions... For this reason, pederasty was not considered to be a homosexual act, given that the ‘man’ would be taking on a dominant role... When intercourse occurred between two people of the same gender, it still was not entirely regarded as a homosexual union, given that one partner would have to take on a passive role, and would, therefore, no longer be considered a ‘man’ in terms of the sexual union
...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexua ... ent_Greece

As can be seen, by the above excerpts the underlying ethos is domination – the older man/teacher with the young male student taking the passive or feminine role. It was considered scandalous and demeaning for the older man to take the passive role.

Greek culture was the predominant influence of the civilized world in the first century, much like the U.S. culture is the predominant influence in the world today. What Greeks considered the norm came to be considered the norm. And although Jews did not adopt homosexual intercourse, the ethos, where the priest, Pharisee, Sadducee teacher represented the dominant older man and the uneducated populace fulfilled the passive role as their consort is the same. This was the norm among the Jews and also later came to be the norm amongst Christians and still prevails today (cf. Rev 14:4). This Sodomite form of religious domination is pictured by the little horn the emerges out of the Egyptian/Greek kingdom of the Ptolemies, the little horn that causes desolation for a period of 2300 Passovers (Dan 8:9,13,14, 23,24, 25, 26. At Rev 9:11 this character type is referred to as the angel/messenger who is the king of the abyss (see post # 9 of this thread)

Domination of the strong over the weak then is the fundamental characteristic of the great city that in a spiritual sense is called Sodom and Egypt where their Lord was also impaled. Like Jesus, whose egalitarian moral ethos came to be a thorn in the side of the dominant priestly class of his day, so too it will be for the two witnesses prophesying in sackcloth, and even like their Lord, their corpses will be on display in the broadway of the city that in a spiritual sense is called Sodom and Egypt.

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Re: Revelation

#124 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Revelation Part 8

The Little Scroll. Part 4 of the Sacred Secret

...And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses/carcasses for days three and a half, and they do not allow their corpses to be laid in a tomb... Rev 11:10. Why not?

corpses/carcasses

I thank Bobcat for bringing De 21:21-23 to my attention. It deals with what is done with bodies of those who had been stoned to death … “And in case there comes to be in a man a sin deserving of death, and he has been put to death, and you have hung him on a stake/tree; his dead body should not remain all night on the stake, but you should, by all means, bury him on that day... This would be the main reason why Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilat for Jesus’s body and put it in a tomb before nightfall, and it is also the reason why the two Marys got up at daybreak the morning after the Sabbath and took spices to grease Jesus's body in order to preserve its integrity Mt 27:57-61; Mk 16:1. It is also why the Jews responsible for his death objected to his body being moved to a tomb (Mt 27:62-66) They were well aware of what the Law said should be done with the bodies of those killed … his dead body should not stay all night on the stake/tree; but you should, by all means, bury him on that day, because something accursed of God is the one hung up on a stake, and you must not defile your soil, which Jehovah your God is giving you... De 21:23. Being sticklers for the Law, those responsible for killing him tried to make him something accursed of God. Not only was their wrong conviction of him on a charge of blasphemy legally indefensible but at that time it appeared God was also against them and they became fearful that it would become public knowledge Mt 28:11-15

It is not known why Jehovah required that the body be buried before nightfall but we do know that Abram in sealing God’s covenant with him, protected the corpses/carcasses of the animals he had sacrificed ...so he took all these and cut them to pieces … and the birds of prey began to descend upon the carcasses #6297 but Abraham kept driving them away...Gen 15:11 But then he fell asleep.

The Hebrew word for carcass/corpse as used in Gen 15:11 is used in 22 places in the OT and it is always associated with carcasses of animals, persons or things disapproved by Jehovah, i.e. Lev 26:30: see left-hand column, here https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6297.htm. The LXX is not consistent in translating this word as ptoma/corpse carcass. Luke wrote his letter in Greek using the LXX for reference and this it the most probable reason why he substituted body for carcass at Lu 17:37. Speaking to a Jewish audience Jesus would have spoken in Aramaic/Hebrew and used the original Hebrew term for corpse/carcass Mt:24:28. … Therefore if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness … in the inner chambers... do not believe it ...wherever the carcass is the vultures will be gathered together Mt 24:28. Compare this with Gen 15:11 while Abram was still awake he drove the birds of prey away from the corpses of his sacrifice, but he then fell asleep. After Jesus ascended to heaven, the virgins all fell asleep and Christendom set Jesus's impaled corpse/carcass on pedestals in their churches around which the vultures have gathered ever since.

Just prior to Jesus's return when the two witnesses are killed Rev 11:8 ...their corpses/carcasses Heb #6297 (as at Lev 26:30 and Mt 24:28) are on show in the broadway of the great city which, in a spiritual sense, is called Sodom and Egypt where our Lord was also impaled. And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses for days three and a half and they do not allow their corpses to be laid in a tomb For the same reason the Jews objected to Jesus’s body being removed to a tomb Mt 27:62-66, the corpses/carcasses of the two witnesses are viewed by the religious world as something being left out in the open overnight and therefore accursed of God - perhaps they will call them the antichrist of 1Jhn 2:18 and ...those dwelling on the earth will rejoice over them and enjoy themselves when they are killed... Rev 11:8-10

But then after ...three days and a half the spirit of life from God entered into them and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them...Rev 11:11. Why is it a period of 3½ days? Jesus had said the Son of Man would in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights Mt 12:40 but their carcasses/corpses are on show for 3½ days.

Here one must again remind oneself that this time period is symbolic for something else. Note: that the 3½ day period is mentioned twice, in vs 9 it is worded days three and half and vs11, it is three days and a half. The change in word order in verse 9 and 11 draws attention to this period. This 3½ times period not only reminds one of the 42 months/1260 days, and of ‘a time, times and a half a time’ of Rev 11:2,3; Rev 12:14, but also occurs as ‘a time, times and half a time’ at Dan 7:25.

With this in mind do the two different word orders of vs 9 and vs 11 also tell the reader who reads with discernment at the appointed time when these things are about to be fulfilled that two periods of 3½ days are involved and thereby drawing attention to Dan 9:26,27 Halfway through last week of the 70-week period… an anointed one will be cut off with nothing ...and he (the anointed prince/ leader mentioned at Dan 9:25) must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week, and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease... So when the two prophets anointed ones are killed, cut off (Dan 9:26) it corresponds to Dan 12:7 ...it will be for an appointed time, appointed times and a half. And as soon as there has been a finishing of the dashing of the holy people to pieces all these things will come to their finish...

Dan 9:27 continues...and on the wing disgusting things, there will be one causing desolation Dan 9:27 ...and from the time the constant feature has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing causing desolation there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days...Dan 12:11

Jesus said ...therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation as spoken through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place Mt 24:15 ...standing where it ought not... Mk 13:14 ...let the reader use discernment... This is the beginning of the great tribulation Mt 24:21 … unless those days were cut short no flesh would be saved but on account of the chosen ones, whom he is choosing aorist he is cutting short the days Mk 13:20 ...Happy is the one that is keeping in expectation and arrives at two thousand three hundred and thirty-five days...Dan 12:11 The additional period of 75 days (vs 11 30days + vs 12 40days) appears to be a breather between their being raised to their feet and becoming active again and being called to heaven.

And after the three days and a half the 3½/42 months period of their prophesying in sackcloth, these holy ones, the two witnesses, are figuratively killed, cut off with nothing, they are silenced :silent: :silent: and no longer able to do their work. They are in the hand of the audacious little horn (Dan 7:25) the disgusting thing causing desolation.

This period begins with the second half (the 3½ days/years) of the 70th week of Dan 9:27.

It is at this time the heavenly court proceeds with its deliberations and considers the evidence of man's independent rule on earth. When its verdict is handed down (Dan 7: 8-10,13,14,25,27) at the end of the second half of the 70th week the two carcasses of the witnesses come to life they stand on their feet. They are no longer muzzled and have the freedom to speak once more and a great fear falls on those - the vultures - beholding them Rev 1:7; 11:11. The period of time taken for them to stand on their feet and become active again is 30 days after which they must be careful not to become hubristic because no one knows the day or the hour of Jehovah's day ... happy is the one keeps in expectation and arrives at one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days... (75 days in total Dan 12:11) when they hear the loud voice from heaven say ... come on up here Rev 11:12...

But just to make doubly sure the above is correct, at Dan 9:27 it says: ... and he must keep the covenant in forces for the many for one week... What covenant is that? The first covenant God established with man is in Genesis ... and God went on to say to Noah and to his sons with him “And as for me, here I am establishing my covenant with you men and with your offspring after you and with every living soul that is with you, among the fowls, among the beasts and among all the living creatures of the earth, all those going out from the ark... Gen 6:18; 9:8, 9,10,11,13,14,15,16 …and the rainbow must occur in the cloud and I shall certainly see it and remember my covenant to time indefinite...Compare Mt 24:27,29,30; Dan 7:13; Joel 2:31; Rev 1:7. Will the sign of the Son of Man be a great rainbow? If you are alive at that time you may see it.

At Dan 12:11 it says …and from the time that the constant feature has been removed there has been a placing of the disgusting thing... The constant feature referred to here, like the Passover celebration (Ex 12:14) is a statute to time indefinite ...you are to command the sons of Israel that they get for you pure beaten olive oil for the luminary in order to light up the lamps constantly in the tent of meeting outside the curtain... set this in order from evening until morning overnight before Jehovah. It is a statute to time indefinite to be performed by the sons of Israel...Ex 27:20,21 After the destruction of the temple and its priesthood this task was taken over by followers of Jesus … let your light shine before men...Mt 5:16 ... let your lamps be burning and you yourselves be like men waiting for their master Lu 12:35,36. And at Rev 11:4 the two witnesses are pictured as the two olive trees standing to the right of the lampstand ...these are my two anointed ones who are standing alongside the Lord of the whole earth... Zec4: 11,14

The constant feature is removed when the two prophets are killed at the half of the week and the disgusting thing rules supreme for the second half of the week, for a time, times and half a time. Note that these anointed ones shedding light are standing alongside the Lord of the whole earth R11:4 which aligns with the covenant Jehovah made with all living things of the earth after the flood. After the great tribulation, the installed king Ps 2:6 is joined by the ones who remain loyal at the end of 1335 days at which time his enemies on earth have been put under his feet Mt 22:44, and he is LORD of the WHOLE EARTH.

Love

PS: This completely pulls the rug out from under one’s feet and opens a new way of reading and understanding God's word, doesn’t it? It changes the way we have been taught to view the Bible. God is consistent and unlike humans, his word spans millennia and is refined, that is why men were told not to alter it in any way. What he says in one place is expanded on in another place later i.e. the lamps in the tent of meeting were to be lit with pure beaten olive oil, the discreet virgins, although they had also fallen asleep during the night, had some of this oil in reserve and could light the way (Mt 25:6-9).
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Re: Revelation

#125 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Rev part 8

Part 5 of the Sacred Secret

According to NWT Rev 13:1 begins thus ...And it stood still upon the sand of the sea... the it referring to the dragon mentioned at Rev12:17 and therefore it seems as if the events of Rev 13 come after events described in Rev 11 &12

However, the earliest manuscripts i.e. Codex Sinaiticus c. 330 and others do not have this opening phrase. A hundred years later it appears as ...And I stood on the sand of the sea... the I referring to John. This site https://www.scionofzion.com/revelation_13_1.ht asserts that earlier manuscripts were corrupted. That may be as it may, but the manuscripts do not say or imply the that it, the dragon, stood on the sand of the sea. That appears to be a corruption of the text in support of the Zionist political movement that was in full swing at the turn of the 20th century. Compare translations here: https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-1.htm

Does it make a difference? Yes, it does as it makes it appear events described in Rev 13 follow on from Satan being cast to the earth after the two witnesses have been called to heaven and the faithful and discreet slave has been appointed as was believed shortly after WW1 https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines ... -2019/1919. So a complete revision of what was taught and is believed concerning the beasts of Revelation is now called for.

When and is used in connection with a vision as it does in Revelation, in most cases, it refers to the next vision, not a subsequent action.
A vision is like a film, going from one scene to the next but it does not mean that the action of the next scene follows the action of the previous one, it may run concurrently, be a flashback, a future occurrence, or even an explanatory scene.
So it is important to also note the tense of the associated verbs (see post#24 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2377&start=40 )

Rev 13:1 ...And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads...Now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were those of a bear, and its mouth was that of a lion ... and the dragon gave to the beast its power. ... Rev 13:1,2 This beast with a body of a leopard and feet of a bear and the mouth of the lion is reminiscent of the beasts of Dan 7:4-8 that arose one after the other after Babylon had fallen. Daniel is told ...'As for these beasts because there are four, there are four kings that will stand up from the earth Dan 7:17. Since this vision occurred during the reign of the last king of Babylon these 4 kings stand for the next 4 ruling empires, namely:
1. Medo/Persia Dan 7:4 like a lion; same as silver, a king inferior to Babylon Dan 2:39; corresponds to the lion's mouth Rev 13:2
2. Greece Dan 7:5 like a bear; same as copper, one that rules over the entire earth Dan 2:39; corresponds to feet were those of a bear Rev 13:2
3. Rome like a leopard to whom was given much rulership indeed Dan 7:6; same as legs of iron that shatters and crushes all those that preceded it Dan 2:40; corresponds to the body of the beast of Rev 13:2 which is like a like a leopard
4. Proto-democratic beast with ten horns, iron teeth and copper claws, which is different from all the other beast before it; fearsome and unusually strong devouring and crushing Dan 7:7,19; same as the feet partly of clay and iron the kingdom itself will prove to be divided...Dan 2:41; corresponds to the ten horns of the Rev 13:2 beast.

Whereas the horns in the proto-democratic beast - the rump-end of the British Commonwealth - had no crowns as all were answerable to those that controlled the purse strings at that time. The beast of John's vision at Rev 13:1, 2 pictures the fully-fledged democratic beast with the heads representing ethnic peoples. This beast's horns are crowned, the ten horns like the ten toes represent individual ruling entities of these peoples. These rulers are answerable to the people they rule; as described they are mixed the offspring of mankind, but they will not prove to be sticking together, this one with that one just as iron is not mixing with moulded clay Dan 2:42,43.

So the beast is essentially a picture of the geopolitical world as it exists in the time of the end.
Geopolitical risk is commonly defined as the risk of one country's foreign policy influencing or upsetting domestic political and social policy in another country or region, but its scope is much wider. Geopolitical concerns include military conflicts, civil wars, terrorist's attacks, riots, sanctions etc.i.e. this youtube video, 'China’s New Silk Road' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ1x1vTEmOY&vl=en is worth watching as it explains the current demonization of China - wars are all about money and who controls it Dan 11:42,43,44.

The vision then homes in on one of the seven heads ...and I saw one of its heads, which was as if slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke having been healed and the whole earth wondered/marvled as they followed the beast...Rev 13:3

Here it is important to note that each of the heads of the conglomerate beast is a beast (national ruling entity) in its own right when it is singled out. e.g. ...it makes the earth and those who dwell in it worship the beast whose death-stroke was healed ...while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image of the beast that had the sword stroke and revived...Rev 13:12,14

In talking about this slaughtered-healed-head beast Rev 13:4 continues ... And they worshipped the dragon because it gave authority to the beast, and they worshipped the beast with the words: “Who is like the beast and who can do battle with it? And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it and authority to act forty-two months was given it... and it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven...And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe, and people and tongue and nation. And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it... Rev 13:3-8

What this slaughtered healed head does is the same as what the little horn that uproots three horns of the proto-democratic beast (Dan 7:8,24,25) does. So it is important to stop and identify this slaughtered-healed-head beast.

It is introduced and championed by another head/beast which singled out is described as having two horns like a lamb but speaking with a dragon's mouths – the dual horned Anglo/American entity - but more on that beast later. This dual horned beast makes all ...the earth worship the first wild beast whose death-stroke was healed...Rev 13:12 This indicates that this dual horned entity is instrumental in the slaughtered head/beast being healed and taking its place among the seven heads.

But who is this beast that was dead and then revived?

At Rev 17:8 John is given the following explanation (verb tenses in black, verse text in blue) ...The beast that you see aorist has been, impf and is about to come up present out of the abyss and goes off pres. into destruction. When the inhabitants of the earth are seeing pres, participle how the beast has been and is not and is about to rise out of the abyss they will be made to wonder future passive (comp.Rev 13:3,12). This is a reference to the same slaughtered-healed-head beast of Rev 13:3-8 which is championed by the two-horned, lamb-like-beast that makes the earth ...worship (bow in submission) to this beast.

Late in the first century, when John received the vision this head/beast had been, but at that time no longer existed, it was in the abyss symbolic of death. The only head/beast that this could refer to in his day is the nation-state of Israel. Jerusalem was not only destroyed in 70CE, but it was no longer considered as a geopolitical nation, they had lost their homeland in fulfilment of Lev 18:28 the land had vomited them out.
Israel as a nation emerged out of the abyss in 1948 and in 1967/68, during the six-day war, Israel invaded and proceeded to occupy the old city of Jerusalem, and its occupation is still being disputed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank
For more information about this, see post #1 of the thread Dan 9:24-27 Fulfilled in our Day?? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5405

John is told that this slaughtered beast/head that would rise out of the abyss ...is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven Rev 17:9,10,11. Pictured as the little horn that displaces 3 of the 10 horns of the proto-democratic British Commonwealth beast of Dan 7:8 he will become the eighth king, sole ruler of the NewWoldOrder for a time, times, and half a time Dan 7:25 Rev 17:11 before going off into destruction.

There is much to take into consideration in identifying the beasts of Revelation, that is why Jesus said ...when you see the disgusting thing that causes desolation as spoken of through Daniel the prophet ...standing in a holy place... standing where it ought not... let the reader use discernment Mat 24:15; Mk 13:14. Unravelling the sacred secret is not all that easy, more than a casual reading is required, and that is why only those who cleanse themselves will be able to sing the new song Dan 12:9,10; Rev 14:3

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#126 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Rev part 8

Part 5 of the Sacred Secret continued.
Continuing on from Part 5 above
...it is important to note that each of the heads of the conglomerate beast is a beast (national ruling entity) in its own right when it is singled out...
The slaughtered healed head ...is introduced and championed by another head/beast which singled out is described as having two horns like a lamb but speaking with a dragon's mouths – the dual horned Anglo/American entity... This dual horned beast makes all ...the earth worship the first wild beast whose death-stroke was healed...Rev 13:12 ... Which indicates that it is instrumental in the slaughtered head/beast being healed and taking its place among the seven heads
Rev 13:11...And I saw another beast out of the earth same as Dan 12:2 LXX Heb. 127 adamah i.e. out of the soil of humanity rather than sea as the beast at Rev 1:1 which, as Job says, is not governable but can only be contained by God Job 7:12 ...am I a sea or a dragon that you [are] setting a guard over me... also Isa 51:10,15

Rev 13:11 ...and it had two horns like a lambkin a male lamb H3532 Gr721 lambs, male or female, do not have horns, and the lamb is reminiscent of Jesus being slaughtered, as at Jer 11:19. Its having two horns denotes the dual Judaic/Christian power block, that is one of the 7 heads of the conglomerate beast of Rev 1:1,2

Rev 13:1 But it was speaking like a dragon Rev9:9;13:2 ...and it exercises all the authority of the first beast Rev1:1,2...before the face of it. This can only refer to the shadow government controlling the Anglo/American power block that has ruled the roost for more than a century. It is the only one exercising global authority, and it is the dragon’s mouth-piece.

Rev 13:12...And it makes the earth and those that dwell on it worship the first beast whose death-stroke got healed Rev 13:3. At Rev 17:11 it says ...and the beast that was, but is not, it itself is also an eighth king and out of the seven exists .

The nation-state of Israel exists thanks to Zionist/Christian machinations of Anglo/America power block.

The Balfour Declaration, which resulted in a significant upheaval in the lives of Palestinians, was issued on November 2, 1917. The declaration turned the Zionist aim of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine into a reality when Britain publicly pledged to establish "a national home for the Jewish people" there...
In May 1946, Truman announced his approval of a recommendation to admit 100,000 displaced persons into Palestine and in October publicly declared his support for the creation of a Jewish state...
(underline mine)

Rev 12:13 ...And it performs great signs so that it should make fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind

Below is a propaganda film released at the time, defending the dropping of the atom bomb on Hiroshima. Note that starting at 16:00 a Jesuit survivor of the blast describes what happened and then reading from a script defends the dropping of the bomb.

And another film 'A Moment in Time' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwpgmEvlRpM at 41:49 where the narrator with regard to the first test blast says: ...It 'was bathed in an intense flash of a light that man had only seen from the stars'...

There are many more reports and films of that time speaking of the impact it has had on humankind, who in ference to the two-horned beast and its protege, said: ...who is like the wild beast and who can do battle with it...Rev 13:4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Immediately following their declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, the British War Cabinet began to consider the future of Palestine... Palestine was still under the control of the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) at that time.
The first negotiations between the British and the Zionists took place at a conference on 7 February 1917 that included Sir Mark Sykes and the Zionist leadership. Subsequent discussions led to Balfour's request, on 19 June, that Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann submit a draft of a public declaration...(underline mine) Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann were the main Zionist movers and shakers.

And it misleads those who dwell on the earth... Rev 13:14

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#127 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

Rev part 8

Conclusion of part 5 of the Sacred Secret.

And it misleads those who dwell on the earth because of the signs that were granted/given aorist pass. to it to perform...Rev 13:14. The only one who could grant this was Jehovah God. The reader is reminded that Jesus had said it did not belong to his disciples to get knowledge of the times and the seasons of the coming of God's Kingdom... (cf Dan 7:12) which the father has placed into his own jurisdiction ... jurisdiction = authority G1849 as at Mt 8:9

That means that Jehovah granted man's discoveries leading to the formula E=mc² 1905
Albert Einstein did not work directly on the atom bomb. But Einstein was the father of the bomb in two important ways: 1) it was his initiative which started U.S. bomb research; 2) it was his equation (E = mc2) which made the atomic bomb theoretically possible. https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... r%20second) That means the timing of the signs performed by the dual Anglo/American lamb-like-beast was by God’s authority. What men did/do with this knowledge, i.e the development and use of the bomb was man’s doing.

And it misleads those who dwell on the earth to make an image of the beast that had the sword stroke and yet revived The quasi-religious ruling class, i.e. Scribes, Pharisees, and priests, pre 70CE (Rev 17:8,11), epitomized this beast. Jesus called them "Serpents, offspring of vipers Mt 23:33. These ones, like their forebears, had made wealth/money their God De 31:25,27,29; 32:4,17,18 Mt 21:12-15 They like their forefathers had forgotten the Rock/Tsur that fathered them and had given their allegiance to another rock/Tsur De 32:16,17...For their rock is not as our Rock (De 32:31), their Rock was Tyre ..."Son of Man say the leader of Tyre ...By the abundance of your wisdom, by your sales goods, you have made your wealth abound, and your heart became haughty because of your wealth Ezek 28:2, 5 This was the mindset of those that conspired to kill Jesus. They were the ones who set the exchange rate of the Tyrian shekel, which was the only currency accepted for temple tax and for the purchase of animals for sacrifices which had to be approved by them Mt 21:12.13; Jhn 2:13-16, they had the game sewn-up. No wonder they wanted to seize him after he had said that they were making his father's house a house of robbers and had exposed their hypocrisy Mt 21:13, 23-44, 46.

Jesus is stated to have visited the Temple in Jerusalem, where the courtyard is described as being filled with livestock, merchants, and the tables of the money changers, who changed the standard Greek and Roman money for Jewish and Tyrian shekels

The first step was to set up the Federal Reserve which gave the sole right the issue money to a group of private bankers. The federal reserve act was passed into law in 1913

Who Owns the Federal Reserve Bank of New York? ... Together, these banks owned about 63 percent of the New York Fed's outstanding stock. Mullins then showed that many of these banks are owned by about a dozen European banking organizations, mostly British, and most notably the Rothschild banking dynasty.

It was followed by Bretton Woods

The Bretton Woods agreement was created in a 1944 conference of all of the World War II Allied nations. It took place in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. Under the agreement, countries promised that their central banks would maintain fixed exchange rates between their currencies and the dollar... The Fed. fixes the rate.
Approximately 730 delegates representing 44 countries met in Bretton Woods in July 1944 with the principal goals of creating an efficient foreign exchange system, preventing competitive devaluations of currencies, and promoting international economic growth...

Followed by other agreements including Free Trade Agreements and Sanctions used as the tool to make nations comply to the demands of the dominant players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sanctions
Economic sanctions are used as a tool of foreign policy by many governments. Economic sanctions are usually imposed by a larger country upon a smaller country for one of two reasons. —either the latter is a perceived threat to the security of the former nation or that country treats its citizens unfairly. They can be used as a coercive measure for achieving particular policy goals related to trade or for humanitarian violations. (in some cases economic sanctions are imposed to ensure the larger country's resource acquisition schemes, e.g. Venezuelan oil reserves) ...Effectiveness of economic sanctions
According to the data of Hufbauer et al., regime change, the most frequent foreign-policy objective of economic sanctions, accounts for just over 39 percent of cases of their imposition


And there was granted it to give breaths to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship bend the knee in submission to the image of the beast Rev 13:15

The end result of these many agreements is a world owned and controlled by a few men - See the documentary The Four Horsemen.



And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, and that nobody will be able to buy and sell except the person having the mark, the name of the beast is the number of its name. Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the beast, for it is a man's number, and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

All pieces to usher in this last part of Rev 13:16-18 are in place. Jehovah says: "Son of Man, say to the leader Tyre ...For the reason, that your heart has become haughty, and you keep saying 'I am a God. In the seat of gods, I have seated myself, in the heart of the sea picturing the sea from which the conglomerate beast of Rev 13:1 emerged whereas an earthling man is what you are and not a god...by the abundance of your wisdom and your sales goods, you have made your wealth abound and is lifted up your heart because of your riches... Ezek 28:2,3,5. Jehovah then says a curious thing that can only apply to the time of the end ...Look! You are wiser than Daniel. There are no secrets that have proved a match for you...Ezek 28:3. This leader of Tyre is the one that will attempt to change times and Law and they and the holy ones will be given into his hand for a time, times and half a time (Dan 7:25)

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#128 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

coccus ilicis wrote:
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Rev part 8

Conclusion of part 5 of the Sacred Secret.
The above documentary is rather long, information relevant to the post starts around 17:00.

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#129 Post by coccus ilicis » 1 year ago

coccus ilicis wrote:
1 year ago
coccus ilicis wrote:
1 year ago
Rev part 8

Conclusion of part 5 of the Sacred Secret.
The above documentary is rather long, information relevant to the post starts around 17:00.

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On watching the above documentary again I realised a little more explanation was needed for the uninitiated. For those unfamiliar with the Federal Reserve System, this video explains it in ordinary language - stripped of technical terms one can see it is nothing more than a money-making scam.

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#130 Post by Stranger » 1 year ago

coccus ilicis wrote:
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For those unfamiliar with the Federal Reserve System, this video explains it in ordinary language - stripped of technical terms one can see it is nothing more than a money-making scam.
Here's a picture of the first of 42,000 100,000 dollar gold certificates that have never been authorized for public circulation.

https://www.govmint.com/1934-smithsonia ... bNMU0er482

https://www.moneyfactory.gov/100000gold ... old%20Cert


At the one site "moneyfactor", I saw 7 seals and 4 of them were blue and three of them were green, but on the 8th image I saw no seal as if the golden image was a seal of its own. :-D

Coccus, what can you tell us that are familar with the F.R.S.?

How to drain a bathtub by G.E. Griffin

The overview in this article is very interesting considering what is happening in Seattle right now, and other locations that may be surrendered to these ANTIFA like groups.

https://freedomforceinternational.org



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