Hi coccus ilicis,coccus ilicis wrote: ↑2 years ago
Okay, gives us your short version. I've got a candidate in mind for the 10 horned-beast of Dan 7:7, but see as coming after the events of Dan 11:36. But you go first and I will give you my 2c worth (and that's all it is at this stage) after you've had your say.
The ten horned beast represent the Roman empire. Do you agree with that? And the 10 horns represent kingdoms that evolved from the Roman empire, like Spain, France, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Austria-Hungaria, UK etc.
And the final eleventh horn is the last strong empire who has its origins in the Roman Empire. That is USA. Because it was Europeans that were previously the Roman empire that formed the USA.
But the eleventh horn with eyes and a arrogant mouth will persecute the saints the final 3 and half year before God's kingdom begins its rule, so the eleventh horn must be the final dominant world power that originates from the beast, the Roman empire.
If we believe that the end will come within a few years, then Donald Trump in particular could fullfill the role of the eleventh horn that speaks arrogantly. And that would mean that soon he would turn against the saints and against Jesus and God. I think he will.
Daniel 7:25 He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+
This scripture is talking about the same period and the same king and the same persecution as Daniel 7:30,31 and Daniel 12:7,11,12
Dan 11:30“He will go back and hurl denunciations* against the holy covenant+ and act effectively; and he will go back and will give attention to those leaving the holy covenant. 31 And arms* will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary,+ the fortress, and remove the constant feature.*+
“And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.
Dan 12:7 “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time.* As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end,+ all these things will come to their finish.”
Dan 12:11 “And from the time that the constant feature*+ has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place,+ there will be 1,290 days. 12 “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation* and who arrives at the 1,335 days!
So Daniel 11 verses 30 to 45 should all happen within about 3 and half years. Because the time, times and half a time begins in verse 31 and that time period ends with God's Kingdom begining to rule the earth.
So we see the similarity of the eleventh horn that speaks arrogantly with the king of the north in Daniel 11. Because of that we can conclude that both visions deal with the same "king".
In addition Daniel the prophet got at yet un other time visions about empires and of the final days about wich we can read in Daniel chapter 8. And here again I see that the fierce-looking king is the same entity as the arrogant eleventh horn and the king of the north.
Daniel8:23 “And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion,* a fierce-looking king who understands ambiguous sayings* will stand up. 24 His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way,* and he will be successful and act effectively. He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones.+ 25 And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security* he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand.
And again the eleventh arrogant horn/fierce-looking king/king of the north is the same beast that is described in Revelation 13:11-13 wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon.+ 12 It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast+ in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed.+ 13 And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind.
But these scriptures have not yet got their fulfillment. But I think it is very possible that this will begin to happen this year. I really hope that. I really want the end to come to this system of things and God' kingdom to begin its rule after the final 3 and half years.