Just wanted to thank you for your hard work on this. For some reason I had overlooked this thread until just now and I personally think you have stumbled upon something significant here which I for one had not yet noticed. Actually my friend Michael Ben Zehabe would normally have been one to have caught on to something like this long before I would have, and I don't even recall him spotting this particular anomaly in Revelation. Of course he was always focused much more on the Old Testament in view of his expertise with ancient Bible Hebrew. My hat is off to you on this discovery of yours.
Actually one of the reasons I have no doubt you are onto something here is because of several things quite similar to this chiasmus phenomenon found in the scriptures that Mike had taught me (or at least tried to) over the years. You may find it interesting to know that a more intimate understanding of ancient Mishnaic Hebrew would actually give one a tremendous advantage in spotting things like this in the scriptures. In turn the more you begin to recognize such things in holy text the more you begin to appreciate that the Bible is not a product of the human mind.
There is actually a "seal" of Jehovah that is like a personal signature on EVERYTHING ultimately that issues from him INCLUDING his "exhortations" or writings/messages/words to mankind. The more deeply you delve into such things the more you begin to recognize that Jehovah is in fact actually signing his personal name to it in a way that unmistakably identifies him as the originator or source. (Job 33:16)
Michael had actually gone down the proverbial rabbit hole in this area with the Hebrew writings to the point where he was stumbling upon anomalies like this which while he could recognize them as being related to more simple phenomenons such as the "atbash" or chiasmus ones, they increasingly began to prove well beyond his ability to actually comprehend. You are soon left with the feeling that these types of things continue on indefinitely in the scriptures to a level well beyond the reach of even the most gifted humans. (Is 55:9)
Unfortunately jo-el is correct on this. I cannot take any credit here on this one with regard to recognizing the chiastic anomaly here in Revelation. A phenomenon somewhat similar to the chiasmus one however did occur to me at some point in connection with Revelation about three years ago. When I suddenly felt like I basically understood all of the key deeper meanings of this book immediately after a rather significant degree of prayer and meditation on it, it occurred to me that what is referred to by the Hebrew scholars as the "atbash" anomaly was definitely at play here. What is an atbash? (Honestly not sure I am even spelling it correctly)This is really intriguing. Amos sent me an article on "7" in the scriptures some time ago.
I can't help thinking about "get out of her" - Sol. Is this what Sol has been trying so hard to explain.
Is this what Sol can "see"?
Perhaps you're right about Sol's postings. Perhaps this is what he can see. I'd like to get his thoughts on this.
This term is with reference not simply to a cycle such as a week, but more particularly to the way in which a cycle always ends in the exact opposite way it begins. We might think of this as much perhaps like the way that a planting is immediately followed by a harvest, or (in this particular scriptural/spiritual context at least) a death is followed by a rebirth. (Baptism) (1 Cor 15:35-38) (2 Ki 5:14) (1 Sa 2:5)
I personally feel that this "atbash" understanding in turn contributed to my grasping or subsequently factoring in the way in which while the "seven times" prophecy ultimately was officially recognized as having begun with the spiritual adultery of the JUDEAN kingdom (as opposed to the ten tribe Samaritan apostasy which had already occurred earlier), it would In turn be officially recognized as having ENDED with this same Judean entity once again committing this same spiritual harlotry. This would be despite the fact that mankind would now have to wait for its Samaritan counterpart to play catch- up (in effect) before they would experience the blessings of the installment of the millennial kingdom which the Judean or heavenly "camp" of Jehovah's "woman" would already now be enjoying. (Re 11:15-17 12:12) (Ca 6:13)
In other words; While the ten-tribe "camp" of the nation was actually the FIRST to experience the going into of the proverbial Babylonian captivity that appears to have been foretold to continue for the next 2,520 years, this "seven times" phenomenon would in some sense actually end in the opposite way it began. The Samaritan entity would now be the LAST to fall into this same spiritual adultery, which is exactly why I at times refer to Zechariah 11 and accounts such as where Jesus speaks of "last being first and first being last" in connection with the "re-creation." (Mt 19:28)
Despite the fact that in the case of ancient fleshly Israel it was actually the Samaritan or "flock" facet of Jehovah's nation that led the way in forming adulterous political alliances with foreign nations, Zechariah 11 is speaking about a time frame in which this same "flock" entity would not be held accountable for the spiritual adultery of its shepherding class. (Zec 11:4, 5, 7) Since it never unfolded in this manner with the ancient fleshly nation, it seems clear to me that it is actually the subsequent SPIRITUAL nation of Israel that is being referred to here in prophecy at the very end of this "seven times" period.
This catch-up aspect in fact or the way in which this would all play out in reverse order at the end of the "seven times" period is actually what I believe is being referred to in accounts such as Matthew 10:23. In other words even though the Millennial reign would have actually already begun with the heavenly or Judean "camp" of the Shulammite at the end of this 2,520 year time span, we could still expect to witness one final "circuit of the cities" or spiritual death and subsequent "harvest" or resurrection (rebirth) of the SAMARITAN "camp" of the "woman" before experiencing the blessings of this Millennial Reign here on the earth.