The Disciple Jesus Loved = Lazarus?

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Re: The Disciple Jesus Loved = Lazarus?

#111 Post by Bobcat » 3 weeks ago

This is an attempt to create an index to this thread (where "BD" = Beloved Disciple):
Subject . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Post #

Accuracy of detail in 4th gospel, PDF . . . . . . . . 115

Bartholomew & Nathanael . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42-44

BD Known by High Priest . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .58-61

Blood & Water Flow From Wound (Jn 19:34) . . . .114

"Bolt From Johannine Blue" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .103

Chiasmus in 4th Gospel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .See this thread

Differences Between Synoptics & 4th Gospel . . . 46-49, 87

Doesn't Negate Inspiration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1, 22, 29, 31

Fourth Gospel Written by BD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1, 26

"From That Hour ..." (Jn 19:27) . . . . . . . . . . . . 110

Gospel Writer Paired With Apostle . . . . . . . . . . 11, 69

"In Union With ..." (Jn 17:21) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . See this thread

Introduction, Links . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1, 24, 88, 98

Is Jn 21:20-24 a Postscript? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 104

Jesus Assigns Mother to BD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .21, 50, 53, 54, 86, 110, See also this post

Jesus Choosing the Twelve . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .21

Jn 10:16 & Lev 23:17 (Link) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . See this post

Language Used in 4th Gospel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 46-49, 87, 104

"Many Abodes" (Jn 14:2) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . See this post

Mark's Mystery Disciple . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32, 33, 39, 40

Opposing Views & Rebuttals . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .25, 27, 41, 56, 58, 66-70, 72, 74, 77, 78, 80
. . . Index to Specific Views & Rebuttals . . . . . . .83

Other Ideas on Who Is BD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32, 33

Others at Last Supper Besides the 12 . . . . . . . . 13-17, 21,23, 84, 85

Ramifications of Accepting Lazarus as BD . . . . . .1, 89-91

Resurrection of Lazarus (Thread) . . . . . . . . . . . .See here

Rich Man & Lazarus Parable . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . See posts 46, 59-61 from this thread.

Should Avoid Banging Head . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70, 71, 73

Summary of Linked Views (from post #1) . . . . . . 34, 35, 36

Supporting Viewpoints . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27, 92-97

"These" / "These Things" of Jn 21:15 . . . . . . . . .105, 106

Various Views On . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .75

Was Lazarus a Boy? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 101, 102

When Satan Cast Out (Jn 12:31, 32; 16:11) . . . . .See this thread

Wikipedia Link to who Is BD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .37

Who Was Said to be "Beloved" by Jesus . . . . . . . 17, 18, 20

Why Consider This Topic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28

Why Lazarus Not Mentioned in Synoptics . . . . . .100

Writer of 4th Gospel Judean . . . . . . . . . . . . . .38, 45

WT Believes BD is John . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 107, 108

I'll add to and/or adjust the Index as needed. I added links to a few posts and threads to spice the index up a bit.


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Re: The Disciple Jesus Loved = Lazarus?

#112 Post by Bobcat » 3 weeks ago

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Re: The Disciple Jesus Loved = Lazarus?

#113 Post by Stranger » 3 weeks ago

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You have no appeal from my docket today Bobcat.

I'm stuck here in prison anyway.

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Re: The Disciple Jesus Loved = Lazarus?

#114 Post by Bobcat » 2 weeks ago

A post on the blood and water that flowed from the pierce wound Jesus received while being executed: Here. This piece of information is only mentioned at Jn 19:34. Jn 19:25-27 shows that only the "beloved disciple" and several women were in close enough proximity to see this level of detail, which is probably why it is only mentioned in the 4th gospel account.

See post # 53 in this thread (here) for a discussion of who was at the execution site.

At Jn 19:34 in the NET Bible (here) there are a couple of footnotes (# 100 & 101) that are worth considering:
100 sn If it was obvious to the soldiers that the victim was already dead it is difficult to see why one of them would try to inflict a wound. The Greek verb pierced (νύσσω, nussō) can indicate anything from a slight prod to a mortal wound. Probably one of the soldiers gave an exploratory stab to see if the body would jerk. If not, he was really dead. This thrust was hard enough to penetrate the side, since the author states that blood and water flowed out immediately.

101 sn How is the reference to the blood and water that flowed out from Jesus’ side to be understood? This is probably to be connected with the statements in 1Jn 5:6-8. In both passages water, blood, and testimony are mentioned. The Spirit is also mentioned in 1Jn 5:7 as the source of the testimony, while here the testimony comes from one of the disciples (Jn 19:35). The connection between the Spirit and the living water with Jesus’ statement of thirst just before he died in the preceding context has already been noted (see Jn 19:28). For the author, the water which flowed out of Jesus’ side was a symbolic reference to the Holy Spirit who could now be given because Jesus was now glorified (cf. Jn 7:39); Jesus had now departed and returned to that glory which he had with the Father before the creation of the world (cf. Jn 17:5). The mention of blood recalls the motif of the Passover lamb as a sacrificial victim. Later references to sacrificial procedures in the Mishnah appear to support this: m. Pesahim 5:3 and 5:5 state that the blood of the sacrificial animal should not be allowed to congeal but should flow forth freely at the instant of death so that it could be used for sprinkling; m. Tamid 4:2 actually specifies that the priest is to pierce the heart of the sacrificial victim and cause the blood to come forth.

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Re: The Disciple Jesus Loved = Lazarus?

#115 Post by Bobcat » 1 week ago

A PDF (33 pages in length) discussing the historicity and archaeological accuracy of the 4th gospel: Here.

I placed the link in this thread because, while the PDF does not discuss the possibility that Lazarus originally wrote the 4th gospel account, it is interesting that the writer of the 4th gospel account showed himself so familiar with Judean and Jerusalem detail. Something you would expect of someone (such as Lazarus) who was a lifelong resident of that area, as opposed to a Galilean like John.

At any rate, regardless of who one views as the writer of the account, the PDF does defend the accuracy of the 4th gospel.


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