Memorial Season ?

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Orchid61
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Re: Memorial Season ?

#21 Post by Orchid61 » 2 years ago

Hi Kerry,

As I searched for 14th Nisan 2019 on the internet I got this:

When is 14th Nisan 2019 according this Jewish website, its 19 of april 2019

https://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=201 ... =on&mod=on


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Re: Memorial Season ?

#22 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 years ago

Orchid61 wrote:
2 years ago
Hi Kerry,

As I searched for 14th Nisan 2019 on tne internet I got this:

When is 14th Nisan 2019 according this Jewish website, its 19 of april 2019

https://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=201 ... =on&mod=on
Yes, this is because in the 4 century the Jews employed a predetermined fixed calendar.

Note that the insight on the scriptures book says this: -

*** it-1 p. 390 Calendar ***
We do not find record of a definitely fixed or standardized form of Jewish calendar until the fourth century of our Common Era (c. 359 C.E.), when Hillel II specified that the leap years of 13 months should be the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th of each 19 years. Such a 19-year cycle is commonly called the Metonic cycle, after the Greek mathematician Meton (of the fifth century B.C.E.), although there is also evidence that such a cycle was perfected before him by the Babylonians. (See Babylonian Chronology, 626 B.C.–A.D. 75, by R. A. Parker and W. H. Dubberstein, 1971, pp. 1, 3, 6.) This cycle takes into account that every 19 years the new and the full moons fall again on the same days of the solar year.

And again - quoting the w90 from earlier, it says this: -

*** w90 2/15 pp. 14-15 pars. 23-24 From Seder to Salvation ***
23 Another reason why our date may differ from that of the Jews is that they employ a predetermined calendar, which system was not fixed until the fourth century C.E. Using this, they can set dates for Nisan 1 or for festivals decades or centuries beforehand. Moreover, the ancient lunar calendar needed to have a 13th month added occasionally so that the calendar would synchronize with the seasons. The current Jewish calendar adds this month at fixed points; in a 19-year cycle, it is added to years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19.
24 However, Emil Schürer says that “at the time of Jesus [the Jews] still had no fixed calendar, but on the basis of purely empirical observation, began each new month with the appearance of the new moon, and similarly on the basis of observation” added a month as needed. “If . . . it was noticed towards the end of the year that Passover would fall before the vernal equinox [about March 21], the intercalation of a month before Nisan was decreed.” (The History of the Jewish People in the Age of Jesus Christ, Volume 1) The extra month thus comes in naturally, not being added arbitrarily.

The modern Jewish calendar is not based on observation - as it was in Jesus day - but rather on the flawed metonic cycle.
You only need to add up 235 synodic months and compare this with 19 solar years to see that there is a slight difference.

Yes, short term, it will be fine.
But if you set your watch by it long term then eventually you will come unstuck.

More detailed info is here: -

https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mathema ... e_calendar

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Re: Memorial Season ?

#23 Post by Stranger » 2 years ago

Kerry wrote,
But if you set your watch by it long term then eventually you will come unstuck.

Hi Kerry,

It sounds like you really know what time it is.

I was wondering if you could tell me how to set my watch to the time of Kingdom come? I like to be precise so I don't want to be much too early or a little late.

I'm really sorry you got disfellowshipped over a man made invention but on the other "hand" you'll find it was a blessing just in the nick of time. (Ps 32:6)

Everyday is a new day when you follow Jesus Christ in his Way. (Ho 10:12)


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Re: Memorial Season ?

#24 Post by goghtherefore » 2 years ago

Greetings everyone.

This is a quote from a web page authored by a Bible Student: "Further, because the Jewish day commences at six o’clock in the evening, Nisan 14 actually begins on the day marked Nisan 13 on the Jewish calendar. After six p.m. on the day shown as Nisan 13 is the appropriate time for our Memorial celebration."

Is it not true that our Lord Jesus was killed the afternoon of Nisan, 14 prior to the Jews partaking of the Passover lamb?

Here is the link:

http://www.heraldmag.org/2005/05ma_10.htm

I am interested in any comments about this.

Christian love and appreciation to all contributors to this discussion board

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Re: Memorial Season ?

#25 Post by Marina » 2 years ago

Hi Kerry

With your knowledge can you go all the way back to the exact day Jesus died?
Marina

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Re: Memorial Season ?

#26 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 years ago

Marina wrote:
2 years ago
Hi Kerry

With your knowledge can you go all the way back to the exact day Jesus died?
Yes, April 3rd 33 CE

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Re: Memorial Season ?

#27 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 years ago

goghtherefore wrote:
2 years ago

Is it not true that our Lord Jesus was killed the afternoon of Nisan, 14 prior to the Jews partaking of the Passover lamb?
Jesus celebrated the Jewish Passover with his 12 apostles on the evening of Nisan 14 (2nd April 33CE)
After celebrating the Jewish Passover, Jesus further instituted the special observance of his last meal.

Later that night he was arrested and put through an ordeal that lasted through the night to the following day.

Jesus was then put to death on the afternoon of Nisan 14 (3rd April 33CE)

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Re: Memorial Season ?

#28 Post by goghtherefore » 2 years ago

Hi Kerry Huish

Thank you so much for your comments.

What do you think of these quotes (I'll post the link):

"What is clear is that Jesus Christ died the day before a Sabbath.

Mark 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the
Preparation Day, that is, the day before the
Sabbath,


Many not being familiar with the commanded Old Covenant annual sabbath days
simply view this as a clear reference to the weekly Sabbath.

However, Jesus Christ died in the first month of the Jewish year, just prior
to the annual sabbath known as the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month
is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD;
seven days you must eat unleavened bread.
:7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation;
you shall do no customary work on it.

Christ died on the 14th day of the first month, the day before the annual
sabbath of the 15th day of the first month.

This is made more apparent in the Gospel of John.

John 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day,
that the bodies should not remain on the cross
on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day),
the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be
broken, and that they might be taken away."

Christian love,

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Re: Memorial Season ?

#29 Post by goghtherefore » 2 years ago

oops...the link form which the quote was taken:

http://www.bibleinsight.com/prepare.html
“This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!”
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Re: Memorial Season ?

#30 Post by Kerry Huish » 2 years ago

goghtherefore wrote:
2 years ago
What do you think of these quotes (I'll post the link):
Yep, Thursday evening after sundown on the 2nd of April 33 CE, Jesus celebrated the Passover with his disciples and instituted the memorial of his death, on the date that corresponds to Nisan 14.

Jesus died Friday afternoon 3rd of April 33 CE - which was still Nisan 14.

This was all done before the sun set on April 3rd which marked Nisan 15 and the Sabbath day.

The day after passover was always considered a sabbath no matter what day of the week it was, this particular occasion, it actually harmonised with the weekly sabbath, thus it was a great sabbath.

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