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by Get out of her
2 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​
Replies: 162
Views: 23885

Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

Getting back to the discussion and more specifically this issue of the creation of the state of "Israel" in 1948 supposedly qualifying as one of the foretold "births" or "comings" of Jehovah's kingdom: Are we seriously expected to understand that Jehovah spent literally...
by Get out of her
2 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​
Replies: 162
Views: 23885

Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

CI wrote: Since I have already covered the beast in numerous posts in Revelation threads and you want to debate this, or as you say …"to lovingly and respectfully demonstrate a NUMBER of irreconcilable difficulties that the scriptures present for this understanding ... So if we are to first of ...
by Get out of her
2 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​
Replies: 162
Views: 23885

Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

LRW wrote: It no longer existed as a nation, but only as a scattered people. It ascended out of the abyss in 1947/48 when it was granted Palestine for a homeland." First of all, while the Holy writings do not point to the specific year of the RISE of the "seventh king" here in Revelat...
by Get out of her
2 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​
Replies: 162
Views: 23885

Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

Due to the fact that I am currently entertaining guests for a few weeks, I'm afraid it will continue taking me longer than usual to catch up with replies to all your comments LRW. For the moment my intention is to pick up where I left off a few days ago on this issue of scripturally identifying the ...
by Get out of her
2 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​
Replies: 162
Views: 23885

Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

CI wrote: We know from Dan 7:1-8,17,23,14 that the beast of Rev 13:1,2 is made up of body parts of these beasts. I would assume you mean to say specifically the "fourth wild beast" (and specifically its "horns") since it not only is the last of the four in this sequence found the...
by Get out of her
3 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​
Replies: 162
Views: 23885

Re: Revelation – Where we are in the stream of time​

CI wrote: Revelation describes the US as a beast with two horns like a lamb that began speaking like a dragon. I'm aware that the Watchtower organization presents this understanding of the two horned wild beast of Revelation 13. What I am curious about here LRW is exactly why YOU would promote it? Y...
by Get out of her
3 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: WHEN Will the Lord Return? (Matthew 24)
Replies: 2
Views: 488

Re: WHEN Will the Lord Return? (Matthew 24)

There's a lot to unpack here with this post of yours lamesa; so I would like to simply begin with your initial statement in this case. lamesa wrote: "It should be plain that the Bible nowhere clearly predicts the time of Christ's return." The first thing that comes to my mind when I encoun...
by Get out of her
3 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: The Spiritual Kingdom: How to Understand the Book of Revelation
Replies: 13
Views: 973

Re: The Spiritual Kingdom: How to Understand the Book of Revelation

lamesa wrote: Respectfully, I do not wish to debate prophecies. My intent was to show there are other opinions, which, in the case of the one I presented, is still in print after 150 years. Yes lamesa, just as the name of this website suggests the objective here is to discuss the scriptures with the...
by Get out of her
3 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: The Spiritual Kingdom: How to Understand the Book of Revelation
Replies: 13
Views: 973

Re: The Spiritual Kingdom: How to Understand the Book of Revelation

lamesa wrote: As x-JWs, we were totally uneducated about what the Christian church has been teaching for 2,000 years. So, for those interested in a fresh, spiritual understanding of how to read the Book of Revelation, this excerpt is offered. A link to the full work is at the end. Wanted to share so...
by Get out of her
3 months ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: Am I Forgiven?
Replies: 11
Views: 1089

Re: Am I Forgiven?

The first thing we need to do in order to even BEGIN to understand what is being conveyed in Romans 6:1-7 is to factor in its setting. This is a setting that simply DOES NOT APPLY to us in the time period we find ourselves in even also at this very moment. In stark contrast with the situation WE cur...