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by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: The Trinity: Given by God or Sourced by Satan? (A Commentary)
Replies: 48
Views: 3608

Re: The Trinity: Given by God or Sourced by Satan? (A Commentary)

Πάτερ ἄφες αὐτοῖς οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: The Trinity: Given by God or Sourced by Satan? (A Commentary)
Replies: 48
Views: 3608

Re: The Trinity: Given by God or Sourced by Satan? (A Commentary)

Proselytiser of Jah wrote: 1 month ago ... Jesus is not good ...
Is this a typo PoJ? I'm hoping it is.
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: The Trinity: Given by God or Sourced by Satan? (A Commentary)
Replies: 48
Views: 3608

Re: The Trinity: Given by God or Sourced by Satan? (A Commentary)

Concerning Jn 7:17, what you're not realizing and trust me it's not just you is that what Jesus is actually saying is that "He has the Words of God in His Mouth and that He is challenging unbelievers to know that Him and God are one and it's not just His own teaching but Both Christ and God. (...
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: In the beginning was the Word.
Replies: 33
Views: 2072

Re: In the beginning was the Word.

Unity in Christ doesn't come about through man's word. How right you are Apollos! The old tabernacle couldn't do it (produce unity in Christ), the new one we are assured of will. (Heb 9:11) One must love Christ to inherit His substance and to have their treasures filled. (Pr 8:21) Stranger, (Heb 10...
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: In the beginning was the Word.
Replies: 33
Views: 2072

Re: In the beginning was the Word.

In turn, I challenge you Apollos, to give me a scripture where it says "Jesus is eternal and uncreated". I've shown scriptures which say the opposite verbatim. Thank you PoJ, but I'll take a rain check for now. The Lord has kindly presented quite a few productive challenges recently, so I...
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: In the beginning was the Word.
Replies: 33
Views: 2072

Re: In the beginning was the Word.

But the key thing to take away here, is that Origen was more "Arian minded" than he ever was Trinitarian. It's not clear to me how you reach that conclusion, since Arius says there was a time the Son did not exist and Origen says the opposite. They may have had other teachings in common, ...
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: In the beginning was the Word.
Replies: 33
Views: 2072

Re: In the beginning was the Word.

Hi PoJ I too can relate to, and largely agree with, Origen's conclusions. Were you aware that he affirmed the eternal nature of the Son? He even reasoned on the same issue of the Father's "wisdom" that we've been discussing here. This might be a helpful read: https://www.copticchurch.net/p...
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: In the beginning was the Word.
Replies: 33
Views: 2072

Re: In the beginning was the Word.

Hi PoJ With regards to Prov 8, you may note that I didn't state that the scripture says anything in particular. I've just found it helpful to reason on the matter by seeing what the entire chapter is saying rather than a single verse - in particular focusing on the relationship both we and the Fathe...
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: In the beginning was the Word.
Replies: 33
Views: 2072

Re: In the beginning was the Word.

Here's a couple questions to ponder. 1) Did Jesus create Blood? 2) Did Jesus create man and woman? To me according to the Bible, he did. (Heb 9:11-12) (Gen 1:26) Amen. (John 1:3; Col 1:16) I must say that you are seeing things that I see, you are hearing things that I hear and when we look to Chris...
by apollos0fAlexandria
1 month ago
Forum: Bible Doctrines
Topic: In the beginning was the Word.
Replies: 33
Views: 2072

Re: In the beginning was the Word.

Hi PoJ I take the scripture to mean "without genetic father". It literally reads "without father, without mother, without geneology". Genes/genetics imply a fleshly human origin, and I do not think they would apply to being begotten by the Father. On the other hand, the translati...